#2418 - Chris Williamson
Joe Rogan and Chris Williamson discuss how smartphones, social media and emerging AR technologies shape attention, mental health and groupthink, and contrast that with the value of time, presence and physical experience. They debate climate change activism, pollution, perverse incentives around green funding and why some protest tactics may backfire, then broaden into existential risks like AI, engineered pandemics and nuclear war alongside concerns about censorship and the UK online safety regime. The conversation also covers trans athletes and fairness in women's sports, high‑stakes boxing matchmaking, hypnosis and memory reliability, and what it means to pursue greatness while trying to remain happy and authentic in an AI‑mediated world.
AM Radio: Solid Gold
The hosts trace the history and cultural impact of AM radio, from its early 20th-century technical breakthroughs and global spread through its "golden age" of dramas, soap operas, news, and political addresses. They explain how AM evolved into a youth-oriented Top 40 music medium and later the mellow 1970s "AM gold" era, while also covering regulatory milestones like the Fairness Doctrine and the rise of talk radio after its repeal. The episode concludes with a focus on AM radio's continuing importance for emergency alerts, its technical characteristics, and current debates over carmakers dropping AM receivers, particularly in electric vehicles.
#2404 - Elon Musk
Joe Rogan and Elon Musk discuss topics ranging from extreme human physiques and giant strongmen to SpaceX's Starship program, reusable rockets, and the vision of building cities on Mars and bases on the Moon. They examine government corruption and incentives, including homelessness policy, immigration, Social Security fraud, and how political parties allegedly exploit these systems, and they revisit controversial deaths such as an AI whistleblower and Jeffrey Epstein. Musk also explains his concerns about the "woke mind virus" in media and AI, outlines his work on X/Twitter and Grok, and describes a potential future of AI-driven universal high income, deep automation, and even the possibility that reality is a simulation.
The Texas Chain Saw Massacre: Masterpiece
The hosts take a deep dive into the 1974 horror film The Texas Chain Saw Massacre, exploring why it is widely regarded as a masterpiece despite its low budget and brutal subject matter. They walk through the full plot beat by beat, then detail the movie's origins, inspirations, difficult production, and chaotic distribution history, including mob-linked financing and rating battles. The conversation also covers the film's critical reevaluation, influence on the horror genre, and why they believe its particular mix of naivete, constraint, and inventiveness can never truly be replicated.
What Up Holmes?
This episode traces how Supreme Court Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, initially hostile to broad free speech protections, radically changed his views during World War I and authored the famous Abrams dissent that introduced the 'marketplace of ideas' metaphor. The hosts, along with law professor Thomas Healy, explore what caused Holmes's shift, then examine how that marketplace metaphor has shaped a century of First Amendment thinking and how it breaks down in the age of social media and misinformation, drawing on MIT researcher Sinan Aral's Twitter study and media lawyer Nabiha Syed's critiques. The episode closes by proposing that free speech should be seen as an ongoing democratic experiment that must be continually rethought, including by centering listeners' rights and information health.
#2398 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin
Joe Rogan speaks with Francis and Constantine about censorship and hate-speech policing in the UK, the social and psychological aftermath of the pandemic and protest era, and how social media algorithms amplify outrage and extremism. They discuss protests, ideological labeling, gender and puberty-blocker debates, AI-generated music, ancient history and human nature, Middle East geopolitics, political violence, and the role of religion and myth in giving people meaning and moral frameworks.
#2396 - Andrew Schulz
Joe Rogan and Andrew Schulz discuss AI-generated music, internet outrage dynamics, stand-up comedy culture, and the political climate in the U.S. and abroad. They explore topics ranging from pool hustling, parenting, and child stardom to free speech, immigration policy, and the possibility of alien contact as hinted in ancient religious texts. The conversation also covers MMA matchups, the psychology of cancel culture, and the importance of having humbling, skill-based hobbies outside of work.
Content Warning
Host Simon Adler talks with law professor Kate Koenig about how social media content moderation has shifted in recent years, especially under the influence of TikTok's proactive, algorithm-driven model. They contrast earlier "keep it up unless we have to take it down" approaches with newer systems that pre-screen and algorithmically promote or bury content, raising concerns about prior restraint, invisible censorship, and concentrated power over public discourse. The episode also revisits controversies like the Hunter Biden laptop story and COVID-19 lab leak discussions, explores the idea of platforms as "platform islands" or camouflaged broadcasters, and considers the future "productification" of speech.
Instagram Goes PG-13, ChatGPT Allows Erotica, and Netflix Grabs Podcasts
Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway discuss a series of political and tech stories, including leaked racist and violent Telegram messages from young Republican leaders and J.D. Vance's response, Virginia Giuffre's new book on Jeffrey Epstein, and concerns about Gavin Newsom's approach to AI regulation. They examine OpenAI's plan to allow erotica for verified adults, the risks of AI-powered synthetic relationships and pornography for young men, Instagram's new teen protections, and broader debates about regulating tech platforms and protecting minors. The hosts also cover Meta's removal of an ICE-doxxing Facebook page, fears of weaponizing agencies like the IRS and Pentagon under Trump, criticism of Mark Benioff's call for the National Guard in San Francisco, the Pentagon's contested new press rules, and Netflix's move to bring video podcasts onto its platform as part of a larger shift from traditional TV to low-cost podcast-based video content.
#2393 - Bryan Callen
Joe Rogan and Bryan Callen talk about aging while staying extremely physically active, emphasizing meticulous warm-ups, strength work, and recovery so they can still wrestle, kick, and train hard in their late 50s. They range into addiction and channeling obsessive tendencies into positive pursuits, debates over trans inclusion in sports and culture, government surveillance and censorship, war and Middle East politics, Jeffrey Epstein and intelligence agencies, drug policy and cartels, and inside-baseball comedy topics including personal beefs and the Austin comedy scene. Callen also plugs his new stand-up special "False Gods" and describes a live "acting competition" show he runs in Austin.
#482 - Pavel Durov: Telegram, Freedom, Censorship, Money, Power & Human Nature
Lex Friedman interviews Pavel Durov, founder and CEO of Telegram, about his philosophy on freedom, discipline, technology, and the design of secure, scalable messaging systems. Pavel describes his strict lifestyle, his refusal to compromise on user privacy under pressure from powerful governments, and the technical and organizational principles behind Telegram's lean but highly productive engineering team. They also discuss government overreach, Pavel's legal ordeal in France, earlier clashes with Russia and Iran, the economics and crypto ecosystem around Telegram, and broader reflections on human nature, education, abundance, and mortality.
Saudi Comedy Festival Controversy, Threads' Major Milestone, and Trump's Movie Tariff
Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway discuss Donald Trump's proposed 100% tariff on movies made outside the U.S., arguing it would damage Netflix, Hollywood, and global content arbitrage, and then pivot to the Saudi state-backed Riyadh Comedy Festival, criticizing free-speech-branded comedians who accepted contracts barring criticism of the kingdom and religion. They examine consumer backlash that forced Sinclair and Nexstar to restore Jimmy Kimmel, Threads surpassing X in daily active users and changing media consumption habits, Trump's pressure-driven TikTok divestment plan that advantages major donors, his retribution-focused indictment of James Comey, the economic stupidity of tariffs and farm bailouts, and close with wins and fails plus a brief call for tighter limits on AI products for children.
Kimmel & ABC, Nvidia's OpenAI Investment, and Tylenol's Trump Problem
Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway discuss Jimmy Kimmel's emotional late-night return after his Trump clash, what it reveals about masculinity, and why late-night TV is structurally in decline despite strong individual performances. They analyze Nvidia's $100 billion investment in OpenAI as a potentially late-stage bubble, related-party style deal that concentrates AI power and raises antitrust concerns, then examine Trump's unsupported claim that Tylenol causes autism, what Kenview should do in response, and the classic Johnson & Johnson Tylenol tampering case as a crisis-management model. The hosts also cover YouTube's decision to reinstate previously banned misinformation accounts under political pressure, a Florida investigation into Office Depot over a refused Charlie Kirk poster, their expectations of cronyism and giant, likely disastrous M&A deals, and end with a strong plea for adopting rescue dogs amid rising pet surrenders.
#2382 - Andrew Santino
Joe Rogan and Andrew Santino discuss the rapid rise of artificial intelligence, from AI-generated music and art to the looming impact on jobs, the economy, and social structures, including potential moves toward universal basic income. They examine recent political controversies around Jimmy Kimmel, Donald Trump, and the fictional assassination of Charlie Kirk, focusing on censorship, media manipulation, bot farms, and how social media inflames division. They also explore broader themes like quantum computing and a "new god" of superintelligent AI, government overreach, crime and civil unrest, conspiracy-laden shootings, wildlife management and mountain lions, overlooked musical talents, and the importance of generosity, community, and keeping perspective amid escalating chaos.
ABC Pulls Jimmy Kimmel, Pam Bondi's Free Speech Mess, and Trump Sues The New York Times
Hosts Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway discuss ABC's decision to pull Jimmy Kimmel Live after a segment about the Charlie Kirk shooting, criticizing pressure from FCC commissioner Brendan Carr, conservative station owners, and Disney CEO Bob Iger as an attack on free speech. They examine Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi's comments about targeting "hate speech," Trump's defamation lawsuit against The New York Times, media consolidation, and Scott's idea of economic pushback by affluent consumers. The episode also covers FBI Director Kash Patel's combative congressional testimony, NVIDIA's stake in Intel and China's response, Trump's extended TikTok deadline and proposed sale structure, and closes with political chatter about Pete Buttigieg and a prediction of a coming M&A wave.