#2399 - Daryl Davis & Jeff Schoep
Joe Rogan speaks with Daryl Davis, a Black musician known for befriending Ku Klux Klan members and neo-Nazis and helping hundreds leave extremist groups, and Jeff Schoep, the former longtime leader of the National Socialist Movement who has since renounced white supremacy. They discuss how Jeff was indoctrinated into neo-Nazism, his rise to leadership, the gradual process of his de-radicalization after meeting Daryl and others, and his current work helping people leave extremist movements. The conversation also explores the psychology of hate, white supremacist recruitment strategies, demographic fears driving modern extremism, and practical approaches to reducing racism and improving race relations.
#2382 - Andrew Santino
Joe Rogan and Andrew Santino discuss the rapid rise of artificial intelligence, from AI-generated music and art to the looming impact on jobs, the economy, and social structures, including potential moves toward universal basic income. They examine recent political controversies around Jimmy Kimmel, Donald Trump, and the fictional assassination of Charlie Kirk, focusing on censorship, media manipulation, bot farms, and how social media inflames division. They also explore broader themes like quantum computing and a "new god" of superintelligent AI, government overreach, crime and civil unrest, conspiracy-laden shootings, wildlife management and mountain lions, overlooked musical talents, and the importance of generosity, community, and keeping perspective amid escalating chaos.