Host Elise Hugh introduces a TED Talk by dog agility competitor Jennifer Crank, who demonstrates an agility course with her border collie High Five and explains how the sport depends on precise interspecies communication. Crank describes the structure and difficulty of modern dog agility, the six primary cues handlers use, and why dogs respond most naturally to motion and body position rather than voice commands. She then connects these lessons to human relationships, emphasizing clarity, timing, consistency, and trust in any form of communication or leadership.
Stephen Dubner revisits the question of whether companies run by co-CEOs perform better than those with a single chief, exploring both supportive evidence and strong skepticism. CEO advisor Mark Feigen and several current and former co-CEOs describe the benefits and pitfalls of shared leadership, while Yale professor Jeffrey Sonnenfeld critiques the model as creating role confusion and undermining decisive authority. Computer scientist Lori Williams adds evidence from pair programming, showing how working in pairs can improve quality and satisfaction, raising the broader question of when two leaders might truly be better than one.
Jürgen Klopp discusses his upbringing in Germany, the contrasting influences of his caring mother and demanding father, and how those experiences shaped his competitive mindset, work ethic, and confidence. He explains his evolution from an average player and early father working multiple jobs to a successful manager at Mainz, Dortmund, and Liverpool, focusing heavily on individualized leadership, team culture, pressing football, and learning from failure. Klopp also talks about turning down Manchester United, choosing Liverpool, coping with grief and burnout, leaving Liverpool, his current non-coaching role, his faith, and how he thinks about the possibility of one day returning to management.
Host David Senra speaks with Spotify founder Daniel Ek about optimizing life for impact rather than happiness, arguing that deep, sustained happiness is a trailing indicator of meaningful impact. Ek traces his journey from early financial success and subsequent depression to building Spotify as a long-term mission, emphasizing self-knowledge, founder archetypes, trust, creativity, and energy management. The conversation explores how he learns from other founders, delegates product decisions, focuses on problem-solving, and thinks about quality, longevity, and what it means to truly "live."