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The Ramsey Show

He's Still Living With His Ex's Parents and Needs a Way Out

with Jimmy Darts, Jade Warshaw

Published November 7, 2025
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About This Episode

Dave Ramsey and Rachel Cruze take calls on money, careers, housing, medical debt, and family dynamics while emphasizing personal responsibility, peace of mind, and avoiding financial entanglements that create stress. They interview generosity content creator Jimmy Darts about his "Undercover Kindness" book and how small acts of giving transform both givers and receivers, and talk with Ramsey Personality Jade Warshaw about the emotional side of money and her journey out of heavy debt. The episode also features a couple celebrating paying off their home and becoming completely debt-free.

Topics Covered

Debt payoff Relationships Mental health Therapy Real estate investing Medical crisis Healthcare system Life insurance Entrepreneurship Personal Development

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Quick Takeaways

  • Underlying behavioral and mental health challenges must be addressed directly; there is no career path or self-employment route that pays you to be chronically difficult or belligerent.
  • Staying in extremely awkward or unhealthy living situations, such as living with an ex's parents, should be ended quickly by securing simple, affordable housing and focusing on stability.
  • Buying minority equity in a small private company where you have no control is highly risky; it's generally better to pay down your own mortgage or invest where you control the outcome.
  • If an investment property or Airbnb experiment is destroying your peace and cash flow, it can be wiser to sell, reset, and admit the original plan didn't work as hoped.
  • Big medical bills in collections can sometimes be negotiated, but meaningful reductions often require talking directly with hospital administration rather than only with collection agencies.
  • High earners can still benefit from term life insurance until they are truly self-insured and housing is paid off; the standard guidance is roughly 10-12 times income in coverage.
  • Letting parents or in-laws act as your bank on a house purchase seriously changes the relationship dynamic, effectively making them your lender and risking long-term strain.
  • Ultra-high-net-worth individuals can enjoy luxury purchases like fractional jet ownership without guilt if their generosity is healthy, the cost is a tiny fraction of their net worth, and their motives are sound.
  • New product creators are urged to cash-flow small production runs, get real-world feedback, and prove traction before bringing in outside investors who may take control.
  • Becoming debt-free, especially paying off a home, provides flexibility to handle emergencies, invest in children's education, and face life's hardships with much more peace.

Podcast Notes

Show introduction and host setup

Hosts and format

Dave Ramsey and Rachel Cruze open the show from the Fairwinds Credit Union studio as part of the Ramsey Network[0:18]
Rachel is introduced as a Ramsey Personality, number one best-selling author, host of The Rachel Cruze Show, and Dave's daughter and co-host[0:24]

Call-in format reminder

Dave notes the phones are open for callers with money and life questions[0:30]

Caller John: Employment struggles, personality disorder, and career options

John's job history and current situation

John (40, from Orlando) says he has struggled to keep steady employment over the past decade and has been fired several times due to personality and behavioral challenges[0:44]
He has over $70,000 in federal student loans and reports that no employer will hire him now, even for low-paying jobs[0:49]
He credits God and his parents' financial support with his survival so far but wants to be independent at age 40[1:06]

Considering the Navy and a podcast

John is considering joining the Navy as an officer to pay off debt and build a career, and is also considering starting a podcast with his friend Ben[0:54]
He is unsure which path to take and asks for advice[0:59]

Diagnosis and behavioral challenges

John reports that in the last 11 years he has had 14 jobs, each lasting less than a year on average[1:59]
He says he has a "personality disability" and that multiple neurological assessments led to a diagnosis of NPD (which he names as his condition)[2:18]
He mentions a history of childhood epilepsy and ADD following a vaccine his body rejected, according to his mother[2:35]

Impact of behavior in the workplace

Dave asks how the condition manifests at work and bluntly asks if John is "just a butt" in the workplace[2:47]
John agrees it's caused him to be a difficult employee, and Dave categorizes it as belligerence[2:54]
Rachel asks if John is aware when episodes are happening, looking for tools that could help him function in society and hold a job or relationship[3:18]

Suitability for the Navy and need for treatment

Dave points out that the Navy and military are highly authority-driven and that people who have trouble with authority tend to clash badly there[3:29]
John acknowledges there would be a nasty conflict with authority in the military[3:35]
Dave asks whether John is getting help and whether there is treatment that can make him functional[4:00]
John says there is no cure and claims there is no real support or treatment that has worked; he references research about low gray matter and speculative ideas about programming nanobots to heal the brain[4:13]

Therapeutic tools, bitterness, and self-sabotage

Rachel asks if he has been given any tools (like grounding tools used for anxiety) to manage rising feelings or episodes so he can function in a nine-to-five job[5:51]
John says he has been given tools, but when he starts new jobs he brings bitterness from previous jobs and self-sabotages early, which, combined with his resume, creates a self-fulfilling prophecy[6:03]

Hosts' limits and referral to mental health expert

Dave says the situation is above his and Rachel's pay grade and that he doesn't know how to answer beyond saying John needs healing to hold a job and have quality relationships[6:31]
Dave notes there is no job, including self-employment, that pays people to misbehave; even self-employed people can lose all their customers if they are belligerent[6:46]
Rachel warns John not to fall into victimhood, saying many people with serious setbacks overcome them, and emphasizes the need to be proactive in healing[8:10]
Dave decides to put John on hold and arrange for him to be a caller on Dr. John Delony's show, hoping Delony can add something intelligent and therapeutic to the conversation[7:30]

Caller Jacob: Living with ex-girlfriend's parents and moving toward independence

Jacob's living situation and finances

Jacob (21, from Atlanta) says he has to move out and has never lived on his own, and he's nervous about it[10:54]
He makes $35 an hour at a 40-hour job and does side work on Fridays and Saturdays[11:24]
He owes $2,900 on his truck and has $1,000 in credit card debt, with $4,000 saved[11:33]

Living with his ex and her parents

Jacob explains that he currently lives with his ex-girlfriend and her parents[12:09]
They broke up in February of the same year, yet he has continued living there since then[12:02]
Rachel and Dave react with disbelief and describe the situation as "awkward," "super weird," and "unusual" but say the parents must be very nice people[12:24]
Jacob clarifies that he and his ex built a tiny house on her parents' property, slightly separating his living space from their main roof[12:41]

Advice: Get out quickly and keep housing simple

Jacob has been at his current higher-paying job only about two months, which explains why his savings aren't larger despite low overhead[13:59]
Dave tells Jacob to get a cheap one-bedroom apartment and "get your butt out of weird" as soon as possible[13:31]
Jacob found a rent-to-own house for $1,000 a month, but Dave says Jacob doesn't need rent-to-own or an "investment"; he just needs non-homelessness and to avoid complications[13:12]
Rachel cautions Jacob not to lock himself into a weird contract and to make sure he can get out of any rent-to-own deal easily if he did it[14:37]
Dave smells a rat in the house deal and explicitly advises against doing the rent-to-own house, instead recommending a simple apartment for $1,000 or less per month[15:12]

Building a stable, "boring" foundation

Dave tells Jacob he should be saving about $1,000 a week at his current income if he keeps rent cheap and hustles, quickly paying off his truck and credit card and stacking cash[14:09]
He urges Jacob to get out of the current living situation "this freaking week" and plug into a good church with solid men who can walk beside him and model manhood, faith, and money handling[16:13]
Dave describes Jacob's current life as "subterranean" and says the first goal is to get him up to zero in a sustainable, boring situation before building exciting things from there[16:24]

Caller Melissa: Bonus structure, minority equity, and mortgage payoff

Melissa's compensation and investment question

Melissa from Hartford, Connecticut works for a home health agency and has been put on a bonus structure where she earns 5% of the incremental gross profit above her quota once she meets it[18:10]
Her quarterly bonus is capped at $2,500, and any remaining bonus is pooled and paid as a lump sum at year-end[18:24]
She asks whether to invest that lump sum back into the company for equity or use it to pay down her mortgage, which is her last remaining debt[18:36]

Dave's warning about minority equity in small businesses

Dave says that regardless of having a mortgage or not, you do not invest in a small business where you are a minority shareholder[18:49]
He notes that owning less than 51% leaves you with no meaningful control, and owners can make terrible decisions (e.g., drug abuse, debt) that wipe out your investment[18:43]
He adds that unlike a stock, you often cannot easily get out of a minority shareholder position in a small private company[19:10]

Melissa's broader financial picture and directive

Melissa and her household have about $650,000 left on their mortgage, with $410,000 in a brokerage account, $200,000 in a 401(k), and a small emergency fund[19:36]
She says the mortgage and taxes are stressful and asks what to do, acknowledging she expects Dave to say to put the $410,000 on the mortgage[19:53]
Dave confirms he would put the $410,000 on the mortgage and refinance at current lower rates to reduce stress and risk[20:14]
He reiterates his principle to invest where you can control the outcome or get out easily, which a minority equity stake does not allow[20:28]

Segment with Jade Warshaw: Emotional side of money and behavior change

Jade's new book and focus

Dave introduces Ramsey Personality Jade Warshaw's new book, "What No One Tells You About Money: The Real Key to Getting Unstuck from Someone Who's Been There, Done That"[22:23]
Jade says the book focuses on how emotions around money, not just numbers, are what hold people back[22:49]
She notes that Ramsey's Baby Steps are logical and number-heavy, but people struggle because changing behavior triggers fear, frustration, guilt, shame, and other feelings[22:53]

Stories of getting stuck and missing steps

Jade and her husband Sam had $460,000 of debt and spent seven and a half years paying it off[24:27]
At one point she felt stuck, with bill collectors still calling and progress feeling like two steps forward, one step back, despite trying to "do everything right"[24:38]
She realized they were leaving out part of the Baby Steps by not paying minimums on all debts before attacking the smallest; they had been mistakenly putting all money only on the smallest debt[25:12]

Hope, fear, and behavior change

Dave says hope starts you on a goal and keeps you going, but you lose hope if you don't see progress; people won't keep doing something (like dieting) if the results aren't there[25:31]
Jade calls this "toil with no traction"-when results don't match efforts, people get frustrated and stuck[25:53]
She recalls listening to Dave promise that people could buy cars with cash, pay off their houses, and become millionaires, but she had never seen that in real life and felt fear of "what if this doesn't work?"[26:03]
She notes people fear the unknown and fear change; they worry that sacrificing (working extra instead of going to kids' events, for example) might not be worth it if the outcome doesn't materialize[26:34]

Processing emotions and practical tools

Jade says her book includes chapters acknowledging that change is a "pain in the butt" and that behavior change is hard and anxiety-inducing, like riding a bike for the first time[26:49]
She emphasizes calling out emotions like guilt, shame, and fear so they can be solved instead of glossed over[27:38]
The book uses personal stories she has never shared before to show real scenarios such as one spouse bringing in disproportionate debt, gambling, bad business decisions, or delaying having kids due to debt[28:01]
Jade stresses that the book not only names the problems but gives specific next steps: daily habits, daily rewards, and strategies to get unstuck and stay motivated[27:49]

Interview with Jimmy Darts: Kindness, generosity, and "Undercover Kindness" book

Introducing Jimmy and his work

Dave introduces social media influencer Jimmy Darts as a champion of kindness and generosity known for heartwarming random acts of kindness videos[33:31]
Jimmy has been featured on CNN, Fox News, the Today Show, and The Ramsey Show, and this is his second in-person appearance[33:36]
His format often involves asking someone clearly in need for a small favor (like $5) and then surprising them with a large blessing if they help[33:42]

Scale of generosity and recent stories

Jimmy says he usually gives $500-$1,000 in the moment as a "seed," then posts the video and lets the public decide how much more to donate[34:02]
He mentions raising around $50,000 recently and about $400,000 for a homeless man living in his car with his wife and one-year-old who had been a traveling pastor[34:15]
In that case the man recognized Jimmy and refused to fake not knowing him, thus passing what Jimmy calls an "honesty test" and still receiving a large blessing[34:24]

Why generosity content resonates

Rachel says Jimmy's success shows people are craving generosity and good news in the world[34:56]
Jimmy says he has been blown away by the kindness of people from laundromats to Walmart aisles, and that when he reveals the blessing, it's like showing them a mirror that confirms they are capable of goodness[35:02]
He contrasts lottery winnings (built on greed) with his blessings, which land on a foundation of generosity because recipients first gave something themselves[35:37]

Childhood roots of generosity and gospel motivation

Jimmy describes how at age 10 his parents gave him $200 for Christmas but told him he had to give half to a stranger[36:12]
• He was initially upset because a tithe is only 10%, but eventually gave $100 to a man freezing in the cold and was moved by the man's reaction
• Nineteen years later, he still remembers the man's face but not what he bought with the other $100
He says understanding that God gave his only son through the gospel makes it easy to justify giving $5 out of his pocket[37:00]

Generosity, character, and stewardship

Rachel connects generosity to building character and depth, noting that as the person handling money changes, their decisions change[37:31]
Jimmy observes that generous, kind people tend to attract more opportunities-better tips, invites into business deals, and other blessings[39:24]
Dave asks about stewardship when giving large sums to people in crisis, and Jimmy explains most fundraisers are earmarked for specific needs like medical bills or housing[37:51]
Jimmy says they are called to give and cannot control every choice recipients make, likening it to how God keeps loving and forgiving humans despite mistakes[39:32]

Starting with nothing and building the channel

Jimmy recounts his dad asking what he wanted to do with his life; Jimmy said he wanted to be "Santa Claus year-round" giving away cars and houses and sharing the gospel[41:14]
His dad told him, "Start tomorrow," prompting Jimmy to hit the road, filming small acts of kindness starting with $10-$20 and scaling up over time[40:45]
He says anyone can start where they are-even with $10-by doing small acts like buying someone a gumball and being faithful with little before being entrusted with much[41:45]

Caller Brittany: Airbnb cabin stress and deciding whether to sell

Brittany's housing and financial rut

Brittany from Los Angeles says she bought a cabin in the mountains about a year ago and is now in a financial rut, wondering if she should sell it or rent it out[44:35]
The house is her primary residence in some sense, but she works in LA and originally intended to live in it and Airbnb it when not there[44:45]
She also co-owns another cabin with her dad, on which he pays 100% of the costs[45:32]

Market timing and current equity

Brittany says her mom's cabin's Airbnb performance had been great, but she came into the market at the worst time as the market started dropping, after she got her permit in February[46:02]
She bought her own cabin for around $360,000 and currently owes about $350,000 because high interest erased much of her down payment on the amortization[46:46]
She admits she is not sure of current value and has only checked Zillow, with a realtor scheduled to bring comps the next morning[47:03]

Stress, identity, and Dave's recommendation

Dave notes she may not even break even if she sells, given her small equity and uncertain value, but stresses how stressed she sounds keeping it[47:04]
He calls the whole set of ideas behind the purchase-timing, purpose, structure-a bad group of assumptions that did not lead to a good result[48:19]
Dave recommends selling the cabin, getting her life back, and then if she does real estate again, doing it very differently[47:32]
Brittany admits she feels proud for buying a house young in California and fears she might not be able to do it again, which creates hesitation about selling[48:26]
Rachel tells her that her identity is not tied to owning a house and that she must separate her self-worth from this decision; she calls selling a learning step, not a failure[49:32]
Dave says everyone makes mistakes with money and that Brittany can learn from this without going completely broke, as he did earlier in his life[49:52]

Caller Andrew: Large ER bill in collections and negotiating options

Andrew's emergency room bill and dispute

Andrew from Washington, D.C. went to the ER in July of the previous year, had two CT scans, and was ultimately fine medically[54:38]
Because of his insurance situation at the time, none of the bill was covered and he now has a $24,000 ER bill that has gone to collections[54:48]
The collector initially offered to settle at 75% of the amount (around $18,000), which Andrew refused as ridiculous, and he has gone back and forth with them several times[55:03]

His income, ability to pay, and principle objection

Andrew makes around $11,500 per month and could technically write a check for the full amount but is resisting on principle[55:28]
He researched CT scan costs and found typical charges around $4,000-$5,000, whereas he was billed $9,000 for one and $8,000 for another, leading him to believe the charges are well above average[56:03]
He explains he was between jobs, had purchased insurance, but went to the ER outside the 30-day window from the purchase date without realizing, so coverage was denied[56:37]

Dave's perspective on collectors and potential strategies

Dave describes typical medical debt collectors as low-paid call-center workers with high turnover who lack the knowledge or authority to negotiate based on logic or market value[57:20]
He says Andrew can keep hammering on the collections agency, but he'll rarely speak to the same person and must decide how many calories to burn over roughly $5,000 in potential savings[57:34]
Dave suggests circumventing the collector and trying to meet directly with hospital administration, telling them he thought he had insurance and arguing they should charge him closer to market rate[57:58]
He notes that hospital administrators are often reasonable and in some cases have given steep discounts or charity write-offs for destitute patients, though Andrew has money, which may limit mercy options[58:20]
Rachel raises the moral question that Andrew did receive the service, and that ideally any negotiation about price would have happened on the front end, but recognizes ER patients are typically over a barrel on pricing[59:59]
Dave points out that each day the unpaid collection sits, it dings Andrew's credit, which he personally doesn't worry about but notes as a factor some people care about[59:04]

Question of the day with Drew: High income and life insurance needs

Drew's financial situation and question

Drew (35, from Pennsylvania) and his wife have no children, are on Baby Step 7 in their view, with $750,000 in retirement and a $500,000 home with a $250,000 balance[1:06:24]
His income is $375,000 and his wife's is $100,000; he asks if it's necessary to carry life insurance to replace such high income before they have children[1:06:35]

Rachel and Dave's guidance on being self-insured

Rachel says life insurance exists to replace income, and with their mortgage still outstanding, she would want coverage until the home is paid off[1:06:52]
She notes that at 35 and healthy, term life is very inexpensive, and she and Winston recently renewed theirs through a term provider[1:07:34]
They consider someone truly self-insured when the house is paid off and investments are sufficient that surviving spouse can maintain lifestyle without income replacement[1:07:04]
Dave explains their standard formula of 10-12 times income in term life coverage so that the invested death benefit can spin off income similar to what the deceased earned[1:07:20]
He illustrates that with $1,000,000 invested at a 10% return, a widow could receive around $100,000 annually, approximating many people's salaries[1:08:10]
Because Drew's wife already earns $100,000, Dave suggests they could insure him for less than the full 10-12 times (e.g., enough to pay off the mortgage and add to her income stream), but still recommends carrying term[1:08:23]
He also notes that once they have kids, they'll want to increase coverage, and jokes that as soon as they get the policy in place, the kids will likely come[1:09:05]

Caller Jack: Dad offering to finance a house purchase

Offer from father and concern about relationship impact

Jack from Wyoming says his dad has always helped him and is offering to buy a house for Jack and his fiancée, then act as the bank with no interest[1:11:00]
Jack loves and respects his father and is grateful, but asks how to ensure this doesn't damage their "amazing" father-son relationship[1:11:40]

Rachel and Dave's warning against family lending

Rachel says plainly that it will change the relationship; quoting Scripture, she notes "the borrower is slave to the lender," and that if Dad is the bank, he's your master financially[1:12:00]
She says she would not sacrifice an amazing father-son relationship for a favorable loan and encourages Jack and his fiancée to build their life independently[1:12:19]
Dave adds that it is hard to eat Thanksgiving dinner with your master and that the strain will be felt especially by Jack's future wife[1:12:38]
He suggests if Dad wants to help and is wealthy (Jack estimates his dad's net worth around $10-12 million), a pure gift of a house would avoid the lender-borrower dynamic[1:12:00]

Caller Riley: Funding a new HVAC product vs taking investors

Riley's product and funding question

Riley, an HVAC contractor, has spent about $80,000 on R&D for a product and formed a new LLC to protect his service company from potential liabilities[1:17:47]
He has a minimum viable product and wants to know how to acquire funding and structure conversations with investors for a business entity with no history[1:17:34]

Dave's critique of seeking investors too early

Dave notes that without sales history, Riley essentially has a dream turned into a prototype but not a proven business, and that Shark Tank-style investors would likely reject it at this stage[1:18:28]
Riley estimates unit cost at about $98 to sell at roughly $220 but cannot clearly state volume assumptions for those costs, which Dave flags as an issue[1:18:47]
Dave warns that venture capitalists often "hijack your car"-they take control of the company because it's their money and they believe they know more than the founder[1:19:55]

Bootstrapping, experimentation, and traction

Dave advises Riley to cash-flow a small initial production run (e.g., 1,000 units) with his own money, then test selling them through whatever channels he envisions (retail shelves or online) to prove demand and refine the product[1:19:14]
He explains that customer feedback from early units will almost certainly require design changes, and you don't fully know what you don't know until the product is in the wild[1:20:17]
Dave lays out three "rules of business": it takes twice as long as you think, costs twice as much as you think, and you are not the exception[1:19:57]
He advocates a slow, cash-flowed growth path-selling 1,000 units, then 10,000, then 20,000, then 100,000 over years-keeping 100% ownership rather than giving away majority equity early[1:21:30]

Caller Greg: Fractional jet ownership and ethics of luxury spending

Greg's wealth and interest in private air travel

Greg from Phoenix is considering spending about $5 million over three years on fractional ownership of an airplane, with a guaranteed buyback, effectively costing him around $3 million[1:28:22]
He and his wife have $50 million in assets and a $45 million net worth excluding their business; valuing the business would put their net worth around $150 million[1:28:46]
He wonders when it's okay to spend accumulated wealth on such a luxury and whether it is appropriate to use bonus depreciation and tax benefits[1:28:17]

Dave's framework for large lifestyle purchases

Dave categorizes private air travel as ultra-luxury but notes Greg is in the ultra-wealthy category and financially "qualifies"[1:29:23]
He shares the questions he and Sharon ask before big purchases: (1) Is our generosity healthy? (2) If we burned the purchase money in the middle of the floor, would it change our life? (3) What is our motivation?[1:30:29]
Dave stresses not to justify deals primarily on tax benefits; the purchase should make sense on its own, with tax breaks as an extra[1:29:41]
He notes that for Greg, roughly $1 million per year for three years is a tiny fraction of his world, similar proportionally to other people buying a biscuit, and says Greg never needs to see a TSA agent again if he chooses[1:30:51]
Dave gives an example of a friend with roughly a $2 billion net worth who bought a $52 million private jet, showing that such purchases can be proportional for certain net worth levels[1:30:49]
He tells Greg that as long as his generosity is robust and the spending is a small slice of his net worth with pure motives, he should go ahead and do it without guilt[1:31:57]

Caller Tara: Baby steps without a house or children

Living at home and saving

Tara from Hartford, Connecticut lives at home with her parents; she stays there and takes care of the house when they go away as an exchange instead of paying rent[1:37:14]
She earns about $60,000 a year as a 1099 worker and is unsure how to progress in the Baby Steps since she has no house or children[1:35:38]

Saving for a future house and investing

Rachel tells her Baby Step 5 (kids' college) doesn't apply yet and says Tara is effectively on Baby Step 3B: investing and saving for a house down payment[1:37:44]
Tara is maxing out a Roth IRA and putting additional money into high-yield savings and CDs; she asks if her money is best placed elsewhere[1:39:58]
Dave suggests after her Roth IRA she could add another retirement vehicle suitable for a 1099 worker, such as a SEP IRA or SIMPLE IRA, both of which can be structured as Roths[1:40:19]
He recommends connecting with a SmartVestor Pro to set up mutual fund investing and continue stacking cash in high-yield savings toward a future house down payment[1:40:13]

Caller Alan: Compensation concerns in a small business

Alan's role and pay question

Alan from Kansas City previously served as a pastor and left due to long-term health issues and associated costs that insurance wouldn't fully cover[1:41:54]
He now works in IT and CRM as head of those departments for a former church member's company in Missouri and wonders if he's being paid appropriately and doing the best for his family[1:42:22]
He estimates local head-of-IT roles pay around $100,000, which is what he currently earns, but he's also heavily involved in sales and writes code for the CRM[1:42:13]
The company has about 50 employees and $9 million in gross revenue, with staff size having grown faster than revenue, based on the owners' belief in future growth from product investment[1:43:25]

Dave's advice: Do a comp study and have an honest talk

Dave notes that with 50 staff on $9 million top line, the company has a big payroll and may not afford a large raise immediately but could reward him as revenue climbs[1:44:16]
He suggests Alan perform a detailed compensation study using LinkedIn and other sources to estimate market pay for a combined IT/CRM/sales-enablement role[1:43:59]
Dave recommends distilling the research into a one-page summary and meeting the owner with humility, asking "What did I get wrong?" and "What is my growth trajectory here?"[1:44:50]
He emphasizes that from an employer's view, they want to know both what they make because of you and what it would cost to replace you, and those facts should drive the compensation conversation[1:45:13]

Debt-free scream: Jeremy and Debra pay off their house

Their debt-free milestone and background

Jeremy and Debra from Charlotte, North Carolina paid off $85,614, which was the remaining balance on their house, becoming completely debt-free[1:48:13]
It took them 62 months to pay it off, with their income ranging from $72,000 to $82,000 during that period[1:48:40]
They own a small business in Charlotte doing custom window treatments[1:48:48]

Past debt, infertility, and reprioritizing

They had previously gotten out of consumer debt about 10 years earlier following Ramsey principles[1:49:12]
They went through infertility and lost a daughter at 24 weeks; expecting she would have special needs, they had stacked money for her care instead of throwing everything at the house[1:49:23]
In 2020 they were able to bring their first daughter home, and in 2021 their son, and they used their now-paid-off house status to help fund things like a private Christian school[1:49:38]
They decided at one point to take the money they had set aside and just pay off the remaining mortgage in one big move[1:50:00]

Current net worth and peace from no mortgage

Their house is worth about $350,000, and they have about $200,000 in retirement, giving them a net worth over half a million with no debt[1:50:38]
They have also cash-flowed three pregnancies and multiple vehicles since getting out of debt, instead of financing them as they did earlier in life[1:50:17]
They say paying off the house is at least "100% worth it" in terms of peace, especially compared to only watching the investment account grow while still owing on the mortgage[1:51:12]

Teamwork, tragedy, and changing the family tree

Debra emphasizes the importance of being a team; their infertility and loss could have torn them apart, but instead motivated her to double down financially for their future children[1:51:57]
She says the feeling of changing the trajectory for their kids and future generations is priceless[1:51:23]
Jeremy notes he had good role models growing up who lived similar principles without explicitly knowing Ramsey, but he still made stupid money decisions like buying a fully loaded vehicle with no money[1:51:17]
They now see their kids, ages five and three, benefiting from a home where money stress is reduced, and are using tools like Financial Peace Junior to teach them about money[1:52:52]

Their debt-free scream

On Dave's count of three, they shout, "We're debt-free!" on the Ramsey Show stage, celebrating becoming completely debt-free including their home[1:56:26]

Lessons Learned

Actionable insights and wisdom you can apply to your business, career, and personal life.

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Address root behavioral and mental health issues before looking for career shortcuts or exotic paths; no job or self-employment track will reliably pay you to be chronically difficult or belligerent.

Reflection Questions:

  • • What patterns in my work or relationships keep repeating that might signal an unresolved personal or mental health issue rather than just "bad luck"?
  • • How could proactively seeking therapy or coaching change the trajectory of my career over the next few years?
  • • What is one recurring behavior at work I could start tracking this week so I can notice and intervene earlier when it shows up?
2

Avoid mixing family relationships and debt; when a parent or relative acts as your bank, the borrower-lender dynamic inevitably strains the relationship, even when everyone has good intentions.

Reflection Questions:

  • • Where in my life do I currently have financial entanglements with family that could be creating unspoken tension?
  • • How might my relationship with a parent or in-law change if they became my lender or landlord?
  • • What steps could I take this month to unwind or avoid financial arrangements with family that put love and trust at risk?
3

Build a stable, "boring" foundation-simple housing, no consumer debt, predictable routines-before chasing complex deals, rent-to-own arrangements, or investment properties that add stress.

Reflection Questions:

  • • In what areas of my life am I choosing a complex or flashy solution when a simple, boring one would lower my stress?
  • • How would my finances look 12 months from now if I focused only on paying off debt and stabilizing my housing before pursuing any "deals"?
  • • What is one complicated financial arrangement I could either simplify, sell, or walk away from in the next 90 days?
4

Use clear filters for large lifestyle purchases: ensure your giving is healthy, the cost is a tiny fraction of your net worth, and your motive is not to impress others but to serve your life and family well.

Reflection Questions:

  • • If I applied the "burn it in the middle of the floor" test to my next big purchase, would my financial life truly be unchanged?
  • • How might increasing my generosity change how I feel about spending on luxuries or upgrades?
  • • What questions could I ask myself (or my spouse) before our next major purchase to check our motives and proportionality?
5

When launching a new product or business, cash-flow small experiments and prove traction before taking investor money that can cost you control of your idea and future upside.

Reflection Questions:

  • • Where am I trying to skip the "messy middle" of experimentation and validation in favor of quick outside funding or approval?
  • • How could I design a small, affordable test of my idea in the next 60 days that would generate real customer feedback?
  • • What would need to be true-in sales, margins, and control-for me to feel good about ever bringing in outside investors?
6

Progress with money is as much emotional as it is mathematical; naming feelings like fear, shame, and frustration allows you to adjust your behavior and stick with a proven plan long enough to see results.

Reflection Questions:

  • • What emotions do I most often feel when I sit down to look at my bank accounts or pay bills?
  • • How might my financial behavior change if I treated feelings of fear or shame as signals to be curious about, rather than reasons to quit?
  • • What is one small money habit I could commit to for the next 30 days that would both calm my anxiety and move me closer to my goals?
7

Being debt-free, especially without a mortgage, multiplies your options in crises and opportunities-from handling house repairs to funding kids' education-far more than chasing investment spreads while still leveraged.

Reflection Questions:

  • • How would my daily stress level change if I no longer had a mortgage or consumer debt hanging over me?
  • • In what ways might my career, family, or generosity decisions be different if my monthly obligations were dramatically lower?
  • • What concrete step could I take this week to accelerate my path toward becoming completely debt-free, even if it feels small?

Episode Summary - Notes by Charlie

He's Still Living With His Ex's Parents and Needs a Way Out
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