#612 - Pete Davidson

with Pete Davidson

Published September 23, 2025
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About This Episode

Comedian and actor Pete Davidson sits down for a long-form conversation about his life, from losing his firefighter father in the 9/11 attacks and how that shaped his childhood, to his struggles with depression, suicidality, addiction, and eventual decision to get sober. He discusses the emotional toll of fame and tabloid culture, his tendency toward self-sabotage and people-pleasing, and how therapy, recovery, and supportive relationships-especially with his mother and older comic friends-have helped him. Pete also talks about gearing up for his first international tour, reflecting on a previous Amish guest, and his excitement and fears around becoming a father for the first time.

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Quick Takeaways

  • Pete Davidson lost his firefighter father in the 9/11 attacks at age seven, and that loss continues to inform his identity, humor, and mental health struggles.
  • He describes early suicidality, OCD, manic depression, and later drug use, and explains that he had to reach a point where he wanted to be okay for himself rather than for his career, relationships, or family.
  • Older comedians and friends functioned as surrogate big brothers and helped him feel less alone, especially after he started stand-up as a teenager.
  • Pete talks openly about fearing happiness and being attached to his sad, self-sabotaging identity, and how therapy and sober living are challenging that self-image.
  • He has learned to cope with negative press by mentally swapping his name in headlines with other celebrities to see how little he would actually care as a reader.
  • Both he and Theo reflect on overwork as a way to avoid being alone with their thoughts, and how recovery requires finding new, healthier "friends" like exercise, meaningful relationships, and creative work.
  • Pete is excited and nervous about becoming a father, wanting to provide a stable, happy childhood and break cycles of fear, insecurity, and abandonment.
  • He expresses deep gratitude for his mother Amy, who raised him and his sister alone after 9/11, and is thrilled that she will get the joy of being a grandmother.
  • They discuss how quickly public opinion can flip on celebrities and viral figures, and how easy it is to judge people without knowing their context or mental state.
  • Movies like "Frequency" and friends like Simon Rex have had a powerful emotional impact on Pete, reinforcing how art and second chances can reshape a life.

Podcast Notes

Introduction and Pete's media interests

Host introduces Pete Davidson

Pete is introduced as a comedian and actor from Staten Island, New York, formerly a "young king" and now a "medium king," about to do a world tour[0:55]
Host notes this is the first time they have sat this long and really talked, calling Pete an exceptional young man[1:12]

Pete on the podcasts he listens to

Pete says he listens to this podcast and to "How Did This Get Made," a show about movies[1:54]
"How Did This Get Made" is described as a podcast where they talk about ridiculous movies and the "math" of how they were made
He names Jason Mantzoukas and Paul Scheer as the hosts he listens to[2:05]
Pete calls Manzoukas "pound for pound one of the funniest human beings" and says Paul Scheer is "so cool" and a good guy

Playful riffing on Jason Mantzoukas and "Guess Who"

They joke about Manzoukas looking like "all the ethnicities" and compare him to a "Gaza strip of a man"[2:33]
Theo jokes about a Muslim and Asian versions of "Guess Who" and even a version for "twinks"[3:01]

International touring and performing under censorship

Pete's first international tour

Theo brings up that Pete is going on his first international tour, noting cities like Perth[3:30]
Pete says he's never been anywhere unless it was for work, and he struggles to believe anyone would come see him overseas[3:37]
He describes himself as "kind of dumb" about it, thinking no one in a place like Australia would know him because he has no friends there

Bringing his long-time friend Joey Gay on tour

Pete is taking his friend Joey Gay with him, who has been doing shows with him since he was about 18[4:06]
He calls Joey "fucking hilarious" and says he's "been around forever" and "always destroys" on stage
Joey has also been Pete's friend "since the before time," indicating a long-standing relationship predating fame

Cities on the international run

Pete mentions Perth, Sydney, and thinks Melbourne is on the schedule, plus Singapore, saying he is intimidated by tour schedules and lives day by day[4:41]

Censorship concerns in Singapore and Riyadh

Asked about a comedy festival in Riyadh, Pete says he hasn't heard much about limitations there, but Singapore gave him a long list of things he can't say[5:45]
Pete says the Singapore list was "pretty much my whole act," so he's looking up old sets from when he was 20 and thinking of doing "the classics"
Theo shares experiences where he could talk about sex but not in a dirty way, and jokes about how confusing and constraining that feels[6:15]

Singapore caning case and harsh punishments

Theo recalls the famous case of Michael Fay, an American teenager who was caned in Singapore in 1994 for vandalism and stealing road signs[7:19]
They read that Fay received six strokes of the cane and four months in jail for spray painting and damaging cars and stealing signs
Pete comments that the punishment sounds "sad" for vandalism and jokes they "should just, you know, cut your hand off or something" in some places[7:47]

9/11, losing his father, and early grief

Criticism for performing in the Middle East given his 9/11 loss

Pete says he's gotten flack because his dad died on 9/11, and people ask how he could possibly go perform in certain places[7:53]

Details about his father's death on 9/11

Pete confirms his father was a firefighter who died in one of the buildings on 9/11[8:42]
He says his dad's firehouse was the first truck over the bridge to the site, and there's a very famous photo of that truck that runs every 9/11
He notes that "pretty much the whole house died," but says at least his dad died with his pals[9:21]
Pete points out his dad in a photo shown during the conversation, calling him "my pop" and noting he looks mixed even though the family is white, Jewish, Irish, and a little Italian[9:58]

Memories of his father

Because he was seven when his dad died, Pete says his memories are few and far between[10:05]
He remembers his dad as hilarious, pretty jacked, smoking a lot of cigarettes, driving a Subaru Impreza, and always having a big smile

Strangers sharing stories about his dad

Pete says people come to his shows claiming to have known his dad; some lie to get backstage, but he appreciates hearing real stories[10:52]
He can tell who's truthful because their eyes light up, they smile, and call his dad "Scotty," which is what his friends called him
He says everything he hears about his dad is really sweet, and assumes people keep the horrible stories away from him[11:26]

Theo's experience losing an older father

Theo shares that his dad died when he was 16 and was already very old, born in 1910 and 70 when Theo was born[11:36]
He describes his dad as often sleeping in the distance, dozing off in the car, and owning unreliable cars with odd issues
Pete suggests Theo's situation might have been worse emotionally because at 16 you fully understand the scope of what's happening, unlike at age seven[12:02]

Grief objects, boundaries with memories, and finding father figures in comedy

Keeping and managing physical mementos of his dad

Pete keeps his dad's wedding ring and wears it all the time[14:27]
He also keeps his father's badge chain, which was used to identify his remains, locked in a safe because he fears losing it[14:35]
He has his dad's fire jacket and pants framed, but took them off the wall because seeing them unexpectedly can derail his mood[14:57]
Pete says sometimes he feels good and then sees the gear and is hit by sadness, so he prefers to choose when to go down memory lane instead of having it constantly in his face

Theo's memento and Nicaraguan roots

Theo says he has his dad's passport from when he moved from Nicaragua to the US at about age 12[15:43]
They joke about Nicaragua sounding like a made-up place people listed on MySpace, alongside towns like Schenectady and Kalamazoo

Older comics as surrogate older brothers

Pete started stand-up at 16 and says the youngest comedian friend he had was about 29 or 30[16:51]
He lists Michael Che, Chris DiStefano, Giannis, Nate, Dan Soder, and Joey as older comics he looked up to
Most of his friends are 40 and up, which makes him feel safe and gives him a "big brother" feeling[17:19]

Growing up fast after trauma

Pete felt older than his classmates after his dad died, noting that when others wanted to have pool parties he wanted to "smoke cigarettes and cry"[17:49]
He says that innocence is taken away really fast after such a tragedy and that's why he got into stand-up, gravitating toward comics like Bill Burr, Dave Chappelle, and Rodney Dangerfield[17:55]
Pete describes himself as a sad person who turned to laughing and comedy as a coping mechanism[18:08]

Risk-taking, relationships, and self-sabotage

Playing "Russian roulette" with his life via a motorcycle

Pete shares he bought a motorcycle when he was younger as a kind of "if I go this way, I'm supposed to" gesture[20:05]
He thought death would be under his control, not realizing he could be hit by other cars; he was clipped by a car and the bike fell on him
After the accident, he realized he didn't want to die because of someone else's actions; if he dies, he wants it to be on his own terms[20:11]

Self-sabotage in relationships

Theo admits he has stayed in miserable relationships partly out of a mindset that he doesn't want the woman to find someone who actually likes her, highlighting his own self-sabotage[20:31]
Pete says he tends to blow up relationships with people who actually love him, giving them the "worst wrath" even though such people are few[28:51]
He frames it as calling people's bluff-pushing them away with a "fuck you, leave me" attitude until they eventually do

Mental health struggles, addiction, and decision to get sober

Early suicidality and psychiatric care

Pete says that as a kid he wanted to die to be with his dad and first tried to kill himself at eight by drowning himself in a pool[24:14]
His mom found him in the pool, realized what he was trying to do, and took him to a psych ward when he was eight
He says he struggled with this desire for a long time but began to come out of it around when he got SNL[24:14]

OCD, manic depression, and drug use

Pete states he has OCD and manic depression, describing it as a horrible combo that became worse when he started doing drugs[25:09]
He says he had few friends growing up, partly due to his own behavior, appearing visibly weird and hurting in a way kids couldn't understand[24:51]

Early support followed by backlash

Pete recalls that early on, people rallied behind him as a kid who'd gone through tragedy and was now doing something cool[25:54]
He says that later the narrative flipped to "fuck this dude, I hate this dude," and reading that online brought back high school feelings of not fitting in[26:16]

Realizing he had to want to be okay for himself

About a year and a half before the conversation, Pete decided he needed to be okay even if everything-stand-up, movies, relationships, even family-went away[26:44]
He concluded that life "can't be for stand-up, this movie, this girl, or even my family"; he had to want to be okay or none of the rest would work

Rehab, tabloid stories, and friends stepping away

Pete says some media outlets declared "it's over, he's done" and published pieces claiming he smoked crack and lived with his mom[27:59]
He notes four things in one article were wrong, but jokes that some of it was "kind of true" like living in a two-bedroom
He describes being in rehab alone reading these articles, which intensified his isolation[28:27]
Over time his drug use and behavior led friends to pull back, initially those he didn't care much about, then eventually people he really loved[28:51]
When people he deeply cared about began to distance themselves, he realized he couldn't keep blaming everyone else and had to accept "oh shit, it's me"

Therapy insights: fear of abandonment and BPD

In therapy he learned he has fear of abandonment and was told he has borderline personality disorder (BPD), connecting these patterns back through his family history[30:14]
He frames the work as understanding how childhood experiences and generational patterns shaped his behaviors so he can change them[30:21]

The importance of his mother Amy and family support

Amy's fear and Pete's promise to stay alive

Pete shares that his mom Amy called him while he was in rehab and told him her biggest fear was turning on the news and seeing that her son had died[31:04]
He says hearing this from such a consistently positive, supportive person "killed" him emotionally and made him resolve that he "can't die until she's dead at least"[31:26]

Amy's sacrifices and support

Pete describes his mother as the most supportive person in the world, a nurse who married a fireman she knew from grammar school[31:46]
He says she never dated after his dad died, instead raising him and his sister alone while working hard[31:50]
Pete notes she has never asked him for anything despite having every right to and despite some family members living check to check

Work, loneliness, and fear of slowing down or being happy

Theo's fear of stepping away from work

Theo says he feels he probably needs to go away somewhere because he can barely keep it together week to week[34:41]
He worries that if he takes time away, "it'll all stop" and everything he's built will fall apart, and he fears being alone with his thoughts[34:55]

Pete's encouragement to rest and find joy

Pete tells Theo he deserves to take time off, relax, and do something that makes him happy[35:13]
Theo admits he is "married to work," always choosing work even in small windows of time, which affected past relationships[36:43]
He recalls a long-term girlfriend where he realized, in retrospect, she likely saw him as someone who always chose to sit down with a laptop instead of being present with her

Sobriety and replacing old "friends"

Pete says drugs and weed felt like his friends; he didn't use to party but mostly alone at home watching shows, like a warm hug[37:15]
Now that he's sober, those "friends" are gone and his new reliabilities are work, nicotine, working out, taking care of his girlfriend, and spending time with her[37:57]
He notes he used to have eight things he leaned on; now it's down to a smaller set, so losing even one feels dangerous emotionally

Fear of being alone with oneself and of happiness

Theo says he always wants a girl to text or a date to plan, or some work to do, and fears what it would be like to be alone with himself[39:39]
Pete suggests he might romanticize the fear as an excuse, telling himself in advance it will go badly instead of trying and discovering it might actually feel okay[40:15]
He says many of his own issues came from the internal voice saying "Pete can't do that," and then being scared when he proved himself wrong and wasn't who he thought he was
Pete admits he is afraid to be happy because happiness is uncomfortable compared to the familiar state of depression[41:11]
Theo says that a year earlier he realized he didn't know who he'd be if he were happy and felt loyal to his long-held sad feelings, like old friends he didn't want to abandon[40:22]

Reflections on the Amish guest and gratitude for simple joys

Pete's reaction to the Amish kid episode

Pete says he loved Theo's episode with an Amish teenager and thought it was cool Theo had such a range of guests[41:25]
Watching the Amish kid talk about being thrilled to ride in a Corvette with two girls made Pete more appreciative of the things he takes for granted[41:35]
He calls the Amish guest adorable, honest, and earnest, and says it made him reflect on his own life and opportunities

Amish music tastes and cultural mashups

In a replayed clip, the Amish guest says they mostly sing hymns but sometimes sneak out on weekends to listen to music like Def Leppard, Bon Jovi, house and EDM, country, and some rap[43:01]
He mentions listening to "Amish Paradise" by Weird Al Yankovic and to Gunna, saying he doesn't focus on the lyrics but on the melodic vibe
Theo and Pete joke about artists like Def Leppard and Macklemore performing for Amish audiences and about Amish fashion and slogans[46:00]

Pregnancy, readiness for fatherhood, and changing priorities

Announcing the baby and timing with sobriety

Theo notes Pete is having a child; Pete confirms he and his partner know the sex but haven't disclosed it publicly, and says the baby is "coming soon"[51:37]
Pete is grateful the baby is coming now that he is sober and wishes he had more sober time but recognizes you're never fully "ready"[52:04]

Old blueprint: rushing to marriage and kids

He explains that for years his goal was to get married and have a kid quickly because that's how he grew up seeing his aunts and uncles marry young and have multiple kids by their mid-20s[52:49]
Pete now believes he was completely unready back then, calling himself a drug addict and "very mentally deranged" who didn't know who he was[53:27]
He thinks part of why it never worked out earlier is that he went into relationships with intense pressure and an agenda to have kids, which isn't fair to a partner[54:02]

Letting go of the goal and meeting Elsie

Pete says he stopped dating and focused on getting better so he could someday be capable of a healthy relationship, without forcing marriage and kids as an immediate goal[53:51]
He emphasizes he wasn't looking for a relationship or a baby when he met Elsie; both happened naturally, and he feels "relieved it's her"[55:47]

Being tired of himself and excited to be unselfish

Pete says he is "so sick" and exhausted of himself, and views having a child as a chance to no longer be the focal point of his life[54:55]
He jokes that he understands why people might be exhausted of him too, given constant media coverage[55:02]

What he's excited about as a dad

Pete says it may sound corny, but he's excited to give his child a happy childhood and to be a reliable presence[1:16:03]
He wants his kid not to have the same troubles, fears, and insecurities he had growing up[1:16:19]
He's also excited to see his girlfriend become a mom and jokes about domestic moments being attractive[1:16:33]
He looks forward to making holidays like Halloween less sad by doing family costumes instead of being 30-year-olds in revealing outfits[1:17:43]

Amy as a future grandmother

Pete says his mom has been "starved" for a grandchild and would have the baby with him if she could[1:19:08]
Amy already talks to his girlfriend's belly, repeatedly introducing herself as "Amy" and positioning herself as the grandma[1:19:56]
He feels guilty that she gave up dating and a broader life to raise him and his sister, and he's excited that the baby will give her something joyful and purposeful again[1:18:38]

Big extended family context

Pete has six aunts and uncles who each have three or four kids, making around 40 cousins[1:19:03]
He is the first among them to have a baby, so he expects this child will get a lot of love as the first grandchild/niece or nephew[1:19:14]

Fame, tabloids, and learning not to care what headlines say

Therapy's limits for tabloid-specific issues

Pete says going to therapy over tabloid stories is tricky because therapists often say "I don't know"; it's a small, unusual group of people dealing with that type of scrutiny[1:01:15]
He called people like Adam Sandler and Ben Stiller asking if they had similar experiences, and they largely said no, making him feel even more alone[1:01:32]

Realizing hiding doesn't stop the stories

At one point he stopped going outside, hoping to avoid more gossip, but noticed that articles kept coming regardless[1:01:47]
He realized that whether he's happy and goes out or stays inside, the headlines will appear, so he might as well "go fucking have fun"[1:02:02]

Mental trick: swapping names in headlines

Pete developed a coping technique: he puts another celebrity's name in place of his in an article headline to see if he actually cares about the story[1:02:15]
When he imagines it's someone like Hugh Jackman, he realizes he doesn't care, which helps him see that others likely don't care about those stories about him either[1:02:59]
He concludes that nobody really reads that stuff except people in their entertainment bubble and those who write it; most regular people just want to see you do your work[1:02:32]

Public backlash cycles, empathy for other celebrities, and viral figures

The rapid build-up and teardown of stars

Pete cites Pedro Pascal as an example: a hardworking actor who blew up seemingly overnight, was hailed as "daddy," then quickly faced backlash for being "in everything"[1:04:49]
He argues people need to give someone like Pascal time to adjust to a new level of fame, like learning how to get coffee without being overwhelmed by attention[1:03:57]

Hawk Tuah girl and unfair dogpiling

Pete says the public backlash against the viral "Hawk Tuah" girl over a failed meme coin was sad; people loved her at first as a normal pet-loving person, then turned on her[1:05:01]
He points out she doesn't know how to run crypto and questions why she's the target of outrage when there are much bigger issues in the world[1:05:22]

Rethinking past judgments like Christian Bale's rant

Pete recalls hearing Christian Bale's on-set rant as a 12-year-old and thinking "what an asshole"[1:06:53]
After making a movie himself, he re-evaluated the situation and learned the lighting guy was in the shot on his phone while Bale was trying to cry in a tough scene[1:07:19]
With that context, he now thinks Bale was justified in being angry, highlighting how easy it is to judge when you haven't done that job
He and Theo note you never know what someone is going through-maybe they're tired, hungover, or dealing with personal issues-so a short clip doesn't tell the full story[1:07:57]

Simon Rex, career arcs, and doing work for its own sake

Simon Rex's support and long grind

Pete says Simon Rex once saw him at a club and tweeted about his set, which made Pete feel seen at a time it really mattered[1:09:40]
He praises Simon as someone who sets his own sense of what's cool and has had a huge career turnaround with the film "Red Rocket"[1:10:00]

Simon Rex's emotional awards speech

They watch a clip of Simon's Indie Spirit Award speech, where he thanks director Sean Baker for taking a chance on him when he couldn't even get a Geico commercial audition[1:11:17]
Simon describes having moved to Joshua Tree thinking his career was over before Baker called and asked if he trusted him to make a low-budget movie[1:12:59]
In the speech, Simon says he's been in the business 25 years and no longer cares about fame or money, wanting instead to keep surprising people and doing good work[1:14:28]
Pete says he loves that line about having been caught in the fame and money trap a long time ago and now focusing on craft

Simon as a connective figure

Pete describes Simon as "super tapped in" and a kind of trustworthy connector who introduces people and seems to know everyone across generations[1:14:52]
They joke about Simon's ageless "desert hot" look and his long history of high-profile relationships[1:15:28]

Movies, emotional resonance, and the power of art

Frequency as Pete's personal fantasy

Pete says he has been waiting to talk about the movie "Frequency" with someone, calling it essentially his dream scenario[1:21:56]
He summarizes the plot: Jim Caviezel's character, a 30-year-old whose firefighter dad died decades ago, uses a CB radio during a strange sky event to talk to his dad in the past and change the life trajectory[1:20:56]
Pete's grandmother gave him the "Frequency" VHS or DVD in 2002, about six months after his dad died, and he felt it was almost too on-the-nose for that time[1:23:55]
He admits he still sometimes looks on eBay for a working CB radio, fantasizing about connecting with his father the way the film depicts[1:23:29]

Theo's favorite films and what art fills in

Theo mentions "The Family Man" and "A League of Their Own" as movies that resonate with him, and says movies like "Frequency" fill in emotional gaps for people[1:22:05]
He tells Pete that his own work can similarly fill little spaces for people who have lost parents or struggled, just as "Frequency" did for Pete[1:23:08]

Dennis Quaid's appreciation of Frequency

Theo recounts telling Dennis Quaid that "Frequency" was one of his favorite movies and hearing Quaid say it was one of his favorites too[1:22:26]
Pete says he had a similar interaction with Quaid, who told him he loved the film as well[1:23:55]

Closing reflections and mutual appreciation

Acknowledging personal growth and sobriety

Theo tells Pete that when he walked in, he saw a different light in Pete's eyes, a warm, hopeful energy he often sees in sober people who are feeling good[1:24:57]
Pete thanks Theo and says Theo has always been kind to him, even at times when it was popular in some circles to dislike him[1:23:59]

Gratitude and well wishes

Theo congratulates Pete on his career and on becoming a dad, saying he will be inspiring some young child's future[1:25:10]
Pete asks Theo to say hello to the Amish kid if he sees him again, and Theo agrees as they wrap up the conversation[1:25:22]

Lessons Learned

Actionable insights and wisdom you can apply to your business, career, and personal life.

1

You have to reach a point where you want to be okay for yourself, not just to keep a job, please a partner, or avoid hurting your family; otherwise any external success will feel unstable and conditional.

Reflection Questions:

  • In what ways am I currently relying on external achievements or relationships to justify taking care of myself?
  • How might my daily choices change if my primary reason for getting better was simply that I believe I am worth it?
  • What is one small habit I could adopt this week that is purely for my own well-being, independent of anyone else's expectations?
2

Trauma and grief can age you emotionally and isolate you, but intentionally seeking out older, healthier role models and communities can provide the surrogate guidance and safety your early life lacked.

Reflection Questions:

  • Who in my life, especially among people older than me, could serve as a stabilizing or mentoring presence if I invested more in that relationship?
  • How have my early losses or hardships shaped the kind of people I gravitate toward today, and is that serving me?
  • What concrete step could I take this month to plug into a healthier community-whether creative, professional, or recovery-focused-that understands my kind of pain?
3

Self-sabotage often comes from a fear of abandonment and a fixed story about who you are; challenging that story by actually doing the things you think you "can't" do is the only way to disprove it.

Reflection Questions:

  • Where do I tell myself a story like "I'm just not the kind of person who can do X," and what evidence do I really have for that?
  • How could I safely experiment with one behavior that contradicts my old narrative about myself, just to see what happens?
  • Which relationship in my life have I been pushing away or testing, and what would it look like to act from trust instead of from fear in that connection?
4

In an era of constant headlines and opinions, it's crucial to remember that most people don't care about the gossip; they only care about how well you do the thing you're good at, so you can mentally shrink the power of outside judgment.

Reflection Questions:

  • When I see criticism or gossip about myself, how might it feel different if I imagined it was about someone else I barely know?
  • What core work or craft do I want people to remember me for, and how can I focus more energy there instead of on managing perceptions?
  • The next time I feel stung by an opinion, what quick mental reframing (like swapping my name for another person's) could I use to reduce its emotional impact?
5

Sobriety and recovery require replacing old "friends" like substances, overwork, or compulsive behaviors with healthier reliabilities-habits and relationships that can actually sustain you long term.

Reflection Questions:

  • Which coping mechanisms in my life function like comforting "friends" but are actually eroding my health or relationships over time?
  • How could I start to build a small menu of healthier reliabilities-like movement, honest connection, or creative work-that I can turn to when I'm stressed?
  • What is one unhelpful habit I could gently reduce this month, and what specific healthier behavior could I plug into that same time slot?
6

Becoming a parent or caretaker can be a powerful way to break cycles-if you consciously commit to not passing on your own fears, insecurities, and unresolved pain to the next generation.

Reflection Questions:

  • What patterns from my childhood-around anger, avoidance, or affection-do I most want to ensure I don't repeat with children or people I mentor?
  • How might my day-to-day choices change if I imagined a future child, niece, nephew, or younger colleague watching my example closely?
  • What specific emotional skill (like apologizing, regulating anger, or expressing love) could I start practicing now so that I model something healthier for the next generation?

Episode Summary - Notes by Reese

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