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Cold War Santa with Sarah Archer

with Sarah Archer

Published November 25, 2025
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About This Episode

Host Sarah Marshall and historian Sarah Archer explore how Santa Claus and American Christmas traditions evolved from the 19th century through the Cold War, focusing on consumerism, design, and media. They trace Santa from a tiny artisan figure in Victorian illustrations to a postwar, space-age and domesticated icon wrapped in department stores, aluminum trees, and televised specials like Miracle on 34th Street, A Charlie Brown Christmas, and How the Grinch Stole Christmas. Throughout, they examine how Christmas has always been bound up with retail, nostalgia, gender roles, and changing ideas about patriotism and the future.

Topics Covered

Holidays and family gatherings Television history Media trust and propaganda Nuclear weapons War and empire Nostalgia Consumerism Mid-century design Santa Claus history Personal Development

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Quick Takeaways

  • Modern, child-centered Christmas in the U.S. was born alongside mass retail in the 19th century; there has never been a non-consumer Christmas once it became focused on children.
  • Gilded Age imagery recast Santa as a tiny, craftsman-like figure whose workshop visually "craftwashed" the industrial and retail systems that actually supplied toys.
  • During and after World War II, companies shifted from making domestic goods to "materials for war" and then back again, helping create the postwar consumer boom that Christmas both reflected and amplified.
  • Cold War design and the atomic age turned Christmas futuristic: aluminum trees, space-age ornaments, Santa spaceships, and even NORAD radar tracking reframed a medieval-ish figure in sci‑fi terms.
  • Mid-century Christmas media like Miracle on 34th Street, A Charlie Brown Christmas, and How the Grinch Stole Christmas all criticize commercialization even as they are embedded in the consumer culture they depict.
  • Postwar narratives tied shopping for the nuclear family to patriotic duty, intertwining gendered domesticity, appliances, and Santa with ideas of being a good American citizen-consumer.
  • Nostalgia for Christmas often fuels collecting and decor obsessions, as adults try to recapture fleeting emotional states from childhood that can never fully be recreated.
  • The hosts argue that contemporary holiday participation should prioritize boundaries, time, and emotional safety over performing an idealized, highly produced Christmas.
  • Christmas traditions are largely invented and constantly revised; individuals can freely modify, reject, or create customs instead of feeling bound by an imagined medieval past.
  • Current anxieties about propaganda, fascism, and the attention economy color how the hosts view today's holiday aesthetics and the pressure to constantly consume.

Podcast Notes

Opening, guest introduction, and Cold War Santa framing

Reintroducing Sarah Archer and topic setup

Host welcomes listeners back to the show as the holidays "happen to us" again[2:30]
Sarah Archer is framed as the show's recurring Christmas or Santa correspondent[2:49]
They explain that this episode focuses on "Cold War Santa" and how the 1950s and postwar United States reshaped Christmas and its meaning[3:02]
They reference a previous Santa episode that covered Santa from the ancient world through the Gilded Age as the prequel to this conversation[4:26]

Challenges of remembering past episodes

Marshall describes how podcasting makes her focus so much on the present conversation that she often forgets what she said once the recording is over[4:55]
She notes that listening back can feel like hearing someone else, and she sometimes rediscovers her own past insights[5:11]
They joke that recording conversations is a way to preserve thoughts, likening it to Nixon being right about taping everything, but then quickly undercutting the comparison humorously[5:30]

Recap of Santa's earlier history and the invention of child-centered Christmas

Origin of St. Nicholas and early European traditions

They recall that St. Nicholas was a real 3rd‑century figure from what is now Turkey[9:18]
His most famous legend involves secretly providing money to three sisters so they would not be forced into prostitution, establishing his association with charity and protecting young women[9:28]
Over time, St. Nicholas imagery is grafted onto European midwinter celebrations such as Yule and the figure of Father Christmas, blending various folkloric traditions[9:43]
Multiple Santa names (Saint Nick, Kris Kringle, Santa Claus) are described as a "fossil record" of these different origins being woven together[10:01]

From rowdy adult festival to controlled, child-focused holiday

Archer references Stephen Nissenbaum's book "The Battle for Christmas" as a key work on Santa's 19th‑century evolution[10:31]
She describes how early American Christmas, especially in New York, was a rowdy outdoor holiday where youths roamed the streets, knocking on doors and demanding alcohol[10:44]
Marshall likens early Christmas to Mardi Gras or St. Patrick's Day, a time for working people to "cut loose" and even vomit in the street once or twice a year[11:29]
Archer explains that a group of prominent New Yorkers - John Pintard, Washington Irving, and Clement Clarke Moore (author of "A Visit from St. Nicholas") - helped reconceive Christmas[10:24]
Their writings promoted moving celebrations indoors, keeping children at home, and redirecting misrule into family-centric, controlled activities[11:40]
This is the era when Christmas pivots from an adult-focused, somewhat riotous festival to a self-consciously child-centered domestic holiday[11:13]

The Santa of "A Visit from St. Nicholas" and early illustrations

They recall that in Moore's poem, Santa is surprisingly tiny and elf-like, not the large figure we're used to[11:54]
Archer refers to a Harper's Weekly image titled "Santa Claus and His Works" from 1866, which shows Santa as a tall, human-looking man in a red cloak with a pointed hood, resembling a church cardinal[12:04]
Marshall describes Santa's knuckly hands, crinkly smiling face, big white beard, and his scale relative to a tree, highlighting his humanity but lack of heavy stylization[12:55]
A later turn-of-the-century image shows what Archer calls "classic" Santa: red velvet coat with white fur trim, fur cuffs, white gloves, a fur-trimmed cap, and a sack of toys including a toy drum[13:26]
Marshall notes that this Santa resembles the familiar Coca-Cola Santa, including the wavy, conditioned white beard and luxurious red outfit[13:26]

Santa as craftsman and the hidden industrial reality

Archer argues that late-19th‑century Santa imagery often presents him as a workshop carpenter making toys with old-fashioned tools at the height of the Industrial Revolution[14:34]
• She cites scenes of Santa in a medieval-style workshop, hand-making increasingly technologically complex toys even as factories and mass production already dominated
This picturesque artisan imagery "craftwashes" the consumer processes behind Christmas, obscuring department stores, shipping, and industrial production from children's view[15:43]
Archer notes that when Christmas becomes focused on children, it simultaneously becomes inherently retail-focused; child-centered and retail-centered Christmas have never really been separate[17:04]

Debunking the "war on Christmas" nostalgia

Archer discusses the contemporary claim that there's a "war on Christmas" and the myth that there once was a pure, spiritual, non-commercial Christmas about simple goodwill and charity[17:39]
She asserts that no such non-consumer child-focused Christmas has ever existed; when Christmas pivoted to children, it also inherently pivoted to retail[17:04]
They reflect that nostalgia is selective and often erases complexities and obligations such as personal charity in the present[17:24]

Gilded Age retail, department-store Santas, and the citizen-consumer

Christmas becomes a federal holiday and enters department stores

Archer notes that in 1870 Christmas becomes a U.S. federal holiday, and Louis Prang markets the first commercially available Christmas cards in 1875[17:39]
This is also when Santa begins appearing in department stores, merging the magical figure with the act of shopping[18:09]
Marshall calls the practice of children visiting department-store Santas "completely insane" from the child's perspective, noting how overwhelming it is to meet a figure as important as Santa[18:34]
Archer likens the Santa visit to confession: you go to a special place, meet a man in red, confess your behavior and wishes, and someone in authority records it[20:06]

Miracle on 34th Street and patriotic domestic consumerism

They cue up a clip from the 1947 film Miracle on 34th Street, in which a little girl tells Santa her deepest Christmas wish is a real house rather than toys[20:19]
Marshall summarizes the premise: a man who really seems to be Santa ends up working as a Macy's Santa and affects a skeptical single working mother (Maureen O'Hara's character) and her rational, guarded daughter[21:29]
Archer notes that the film was conceived and made right at the end of World War II, at a moment when a career woman living independently with a child was still unusual and coded as somewhat damaged or disillusioned[22:42]
The mother teaches her daughter not to believe in magic or fairy tales, connecting disbelief in Santa with avoiding romantic disappointment and abandonment by men[22:28]
The film's narrative ultimately reassures viewers that you can trust Santa and a good man to show up, improve your material life, and move you into a suburban home with a nuclear family structure[22:28]
Archer introduces historian Elizabeth Cohen's concept of the "citizen consumer": a Depression- and post-Depression-era idea that patriotic duty can be fulfilled through certain kinds of shopping[24:07]
• Spending on domestic goods and home furnishings for the nuclear family is framed not as frivolous but as investing in the future and supporting the nation
She connects this to Santa's role in Miracle on 34th Street as a figure steering the heroine toward a conventional family and home, aligning emotional fulfillment with property acquisition[24:32]

Gender, domesticity, and Santa Baby

Archer mentions the song "Santa Baby" as emblematic of Santa turning into a kind of luxury-goods provider whom a woman flirtatiously petitions for a fur coat, a car, and other expensive items[24:32]
They characterize this Santa as an "appliance pimp" for wives, entwining sexuality, consumerism, and domestic aspiration[24:32]
The conversation links this postwar promise-that a man will earn enough to support a family while a woman runs the domestic sphere-to contemporary "trad wife" fantasies on social media[26:11]

World War II, rationing, and the foundations of the postwar consumer boom

Santa in wartime propaganda and the real Coca-Cola Santa

They examine a 1941 U.S. Office of War Information poster that shows Santa in military gear with a regulation-trimmed beard, captioned "Santa Claus has gone to war"[20:19]
Archer clarifies that Coca-Cola did not invent Santa but did popularize a standard visual version through artist Haddon Sundblom in the 1930s and 40s[20:58]
• Sundblom aimed to depict Santa as a believable, cozy, grandfatherly man, not just someone in a costume

Rationing, DIY holidays, and Hoover's war-bond ad

During WWII, Americans faced rationing not just of food staples like meat, sugar, coffee, and dairy, but also of rubber, metal, gasoline, nylon, and even long-distance phone calls[23:26]
Archer describes a Hoover print ad that urges giving war bonds instead of vacuum cleaners and promises that bonds will later fund purchases of appliances and cars when victory arrives[23:48]
• The copy notes that Hoover isn't making cleaners during the war but "materials of war," and reframes waiting to consume as patriotic delayed gratification
Women's and home magazines taught readers DIY tricks for decorations during shortages, such as shaving bar soap or using powdered soap to make fake snow, and turning natural items like shells and pinecones into ornaments[24:19]

Civilian industry conscripted into the war effort and its aftereffects

Archer notes that before WWII, the U.S. did not have the kind of permanent military‑industrial complex we now take for granted; there weren't large standing defense manufacturers like today[24:27]
During the war, civilian firms like Hoover had to shift to producing military equipment because the government needed industrial capacity for the war effort[24:27]
Archer shares a family anecdote: her grandfather, a metallurgical engineer who had been working on skyscraper alloys, was redirected to a wartime lab to apply his expertise to airplane propellers and other components[24:47]
After the war, this expanded industrial infrastructure remained, helping enable the late-1940s and 1950s consumer boom of refrigerators, sofas, and televisions[25:39]
They note that Americans' postwar shopping spree was not just pent-up demand; it was also that companies had built up the capacity to make vast quantities of consumer goods[25:13]

Atomic-age design, space-age Santa, and aluminum Christmas trees

Space-age Santa and NORAD tracking

Archer shows a 1950s Christmas card depicting Santa flying a sleek, bomber-like spaceship decorated with snowflakes and a Christmas tree, rather than a sleigh[42:08]
Marshall notes that by comparing Santa's scale to the presents in the ship, this Santa appears person-sized, unlike the tiny Victorian versions[42:28]
Archer emphasizes how radically different this is from candlelit, old-world Santa: now Santa is positioned in science fiction and Cold War futurism[42:36]
They mention the NORAD Santa Tracker, which began in 1955, as an example of recasting the sleigh ride into a radar-tracked, technological fantasy[44:48]

Disney's Our Friend the Atom and mixing myth with nuclear science

Archer describes Disney's "Our Friend the Atom," which used the folktale of the fisherman and the genie from the Thousand and One Nights to explain nuclear power to American audiences[51:45]
• In the analogy, humanity is the fisherman and nuclear energy is the genie offering wishes like health, peace, and energy, blending fairy tale structure with physics education
The program was narrated by physicist Heinz Haber, part of the cohort of German scientists like Wernher von Braun who popularized space and nuclear science in mid-century America[51:56]
Archer notes that Disney's worldview presented both the past and the future as themed destinations (Tomorrowland, the Old West, Main Street USA), making folklore and high-tech seem part of the same imaginative universe[51:02]
She links this cultural blending to other TV shows like I Dream of Jeannie and Bewitched, where astronauts and modern suburbanites coexist with genies and witches[53:06]

Atomic design language and Christmas iconography

Archer explains that atomic-age design had to visually reference phenomena people couldn't see, like atoms and molecules, so designers used rods, spheres, and starbursts to suggest atomic structures[53:36]
She points to examples like the Eames Hang-It-All coat rack, the Marshmallow Sofa, and Irving Harper clocks, which look like exploded models of molecules refined into household objects[53:42]
Marshall recognizes the atomic starburst motif as a mid-century decor staple, which Archer confirms often referenced the atom and was sometimes explicitly called "Sputnik" style[53:36]
Archer notes that these starbursts, rods, and orbs translated naturally into Christmas ornaments and tree toppers, so atomic aesthetics were easily adopted into holiday decor[53:52]

Aluminum: from rare metal to kitchenware and trees

Archer recounts that before the 1880s, aluminum was harder to refine and therefore more expensive than gold or silver, despite not being rare in the earth's crust[54:50]
Two Gilded Age entrepreneurs founded what became the Aluminum Corporation of America (Alcoa), which secured government patents and supplied most of the aluminum for WWI and WWII[55:30]
Because of war-driven refining advances, postwar aluminum became cheap and ubiquitous, showing up in cookie cutters, colanders, pots and pans, and "spun aluminum" barware[57:34]
Aluminum's light weight and shatter resistance made it a popular substitute for glass and a precursor to plastic in many household objects[57:22]
Archer explains that Alcoa funded design experiments like the "Forecast" program, commissioning figures such as Charles and Ray Eames and Isamu Noguchi to explore new aluminum uses[55:45]

The aluminum Christmas tree and its brief heyday

Archer dates the main popularity of aluminum Christmas trees to roughly 1958-1964, noting they quickly became mid-century icons before falling out of fashion[56:00]
She and Marshall recall the Happy Days joke that an aluminum tree saves money on tinsel because it already looks like tinsel[57:34]
Marshall shares that her own contemporary Christmas tree is a pale pink artificial tree, echoing the mid-century artificial-tree aesthetic[56:54]
Archer advocates for reusing aluminum or artificial trees as an environmentally friendlier option than cutting down a new real tree each year, especially if you can find a used vintage aluminum tree[58:56]
They discuss how cutting down and hauling a tree can become a fraught family ritual, a kind of holiday feat of strength that can amplify conflict in already tense households[1:00:14]

Televised mid-century Christmas critiques: Charlie Brown and the Grinch

A Charlie Brown Christmas: plot and subversion

They watch the scene where Charlie Brown and Linus search for a Christmas tree amid rows of artificial, brightly colored aluminum trees, ultimately choosing a small, sparse real tree that "needs" Charlie Brown[1:03:19]
Marshall jokes that her shopping style mirrors Charlie Brown's tendency to pick underdog items (like single bananas) because no one else will[1:02:58]
She also complains about the premise of the special: everyone must rearrange their lives to fix Charlie Brown's bad mood, which she finds annoying even while loving the show[1:04:00]
Archer summarizes the special: Charlie Brown feels inexplicably sad during the holidays despite the festive atmosphere, is put in charge of the Christmas play, and is tasked with finding a tree[1:05:13]
Lucy pushes for a big, flashy, modern tree, but Charlie Brown chooses the scrawny real one, leading to ridicule and his lament about Christmas being too commercialized[1:05:35]
Linus responds by calmly reciting the Biblical passage about the angel appearing to shepherds and announcing Jesus's birth, then says this is what Christmas is really about[1:06:37]
Archer reports that CBS executives originally disliked the special, finding the religious content, jazz score, and anti-consumerist tone confusing and risky[1:08:51]

How the Grinch Stole Christmas: text, rhythm, and critique

They recap Dr. Seuss's story: the Grinch, living above Whoville, hates Christmas and decides to steal all the presents, food, and decorations to stop the celebration[1:09:33]
At the climax, he expects despair but instead hears the Whos singing joyfully without material goods, leading him to realize that Christmas might "mean a little bit more"[1:10:23]
Marshall compares the arc to A Christmas Carol: a killjoy criticizes Christmas as shallow and commercial but ultimately discovers a deeper communal goodness that changes his outlook[1:10:04]
Archer highlights how the book, published in 1957, channels the cadence of "A Visit from St. Nicholas"; she calls that familiar meter a kind of "Christmas meter" in the American ear[1:11:51]
She finds it strikingly subversive that in the height of 1950s consumer culture, Seuss published a bestselling story explicitly arguing that Christmas does not depend on packages, boxes, or bags[1:12:21]

Nostalgia, collecting, and the emotional weight of Christmas

Christmas as emotional portal and drive to collect

Marshall notes that engaging fully with Christmas invites "too many feelings"-about family, money, children's expectations, and religious themes-making it emotionally overwhelming for many[1:15:13]
Archer observes that adults often collect toys, ornaments, and vintage Christmas items because they are chasing an emotional state from their childhoods that is forever receding[1:17:21]
She mentions interviewing a leading expert on vintage aluminum trees who has built an entire practice around this mid-century niche, illustrating how deep the attachment can go[1:17:30]
They reference a scene from the film Scrooged where the Ghost of Christmas Past shows the cynical protagonist as a child at Christmas; even this hard man is easily moved to tears seeing his younger self[1:18:33]
Marshall points out that in A Christmas Carol, Scrooge starts crying almost immediately upon seeing his childhood Christmas, showing how quickly holiday memories can pierce defenses[1:19:14]

Christmas traditions as invented and mutable

Archer emphasizes that all of these traditions are made up and have been continually tweaked by people over time; the holiday is not an immutable, God-given structure[1:21:27]
She encourages listeners to invent their own rituals, or even be a "Grinch" for a season if needed, and then simply claim their inventions are medieval to fit existing patterns of Christmas myth-making[1:22:45]

Contemporary aesthetics, politics, and the pressures of the season

Ralph Lauren/preppy Christmas and class/race coding

They discuss the current TikTok trend of aspiring to a "Ralph Lauren Christmas" and connect it to 1980s preppy aesthetics associated with John Hughes films and Reagan-era wealth[1:26:36]
Archer notes that Ralph Lauren, born Ralph Lipschitz, as an outsider synthesized an aspirational WASP style-horse-country plaid, boat totes, and country estates-for consumers to perform rather than inherit[1:28:21]
They point out that this vision centers white generational wealth and that many such fortunes are historically tied to exploitation, connecting it to underlying racial and class structures[1:28:57]

Disgust at modern propaganda aesthetics and anti-immigrant fascism

Archer expresses deep discomfort with U.S. government social media accounts using AI-generated imagery that visually riffs on Nazi or Soviet propaganda posters to promote border security narratives[1:30:55]
She sees this as a self-conscious, cynical embrace of fascist aesthetics in the service of building detention and processing centers that function like concentration camps for migrants[1:31:34]
Marshall comments on the broader question of why so many people seem drawn to Nazi imagery, while Archer frames it as a giant hostile gesture from unhappy people in power[1:30:40]
Archer insists that most migrants are people Americans should want living here and that anti-immigration cruelty, especially when wrapped in retro propaganda, makes her feel ill[1:32:02]

Attention economy, time scarcity, and saying no at the holidays

Marshall reflects that technologies sold as productivity and entertainment tools now systematically extract attention and waking hours for corporate profit, often even invading sleep[1:33:02]
She argues that at a time when many people are struggling financially, Christmas planning should center joy where possible but drop the idea of mandatory minimum levels of consumption or display[1:33:35]
Both hosts urge treating personal time as precious and refusing to engage in obligations simply because they feel like a baseline expectation, especially if capacity is low[1:34:32]
They frame the holiday season as an excellent opportunity to enforce boundaries, say no to events or relatives that feel unsafe, and even spend the holiday alone if that is healthier[1:34:51]
Marshall notes that abusive people often weaponize holidays to coerce compliance, and explicitly gives listeners permission to ignore such pressure: "Santa doesn't care"[1:35:02]

Cats, small joys, and coping

They describe how pet cats complicate holiday decor decisions (for example, not putting out fragile ornaments or aluminum trees) but also bring comfort[1:37:36]
Marshall shares her humorous theory that cats are ancient aliens and that someday their larger kin will judge humanity based on how well we treated them[1:38:01]
She suggests that when things feel difficult, taking good care of a cat-or respecting a cat's desire not to be petted-is a small but real good action that can make it easier to tackle the next challenge[1:38:22]

Lessons Learned

Actionable insights and wisdom you can apply to your business, career, and personal life.

1

Christmas traditions are invented, continually revised, and often driven by economic and cultural forces rather than timeless spirituality, so individuals are free to adapt or discard them to fit their real needs.

Reflection Questions:

  • • What holiday rituals in your life feel obligatory rather than meaningful, and how might you gently change or drop them this year?
  • • How could you redesign one tradition to reflect your current values instead of an imagined past that never truly existed?
  • • What new, small custom could you start this season that would genuinely support your well-being or your community?
2

Once Christmas became centered on children, it became inseparable from retail consumerism, so finding meaning in the holiday requires consciously separating emotional connection from the volume of stuff exchanged.

Reflection Questions:

  • • When you think about your favorite holiday memories, how many are primarily about things you bought versus feelings and experiences you had?
  • • How might you structure gift-giving so that it emphasizes thoughtfulness or time together rather than price or quantity?
  • • What is one concrete step you could take this year to reduce performative spending while still honoring people you care about?
3

Nostalgia can motivate us to collect and consume in an attempt to recapture childhood feelings that cannot truly be replicated, so it helps to recognize nostalgia as a signal rather than a command.

Reflection Questions:

  • • Which objects or images most reliably trigger strong nostalgia for you, and what emotions or unmet needs do they seem to point toward?
  • • How could you honor the feelings behind your nostalgia (like longing for safety, connection, or wonder) without defaulting to buying more things?
  • • Where in your life might nostalgia be keeping you chasing an idealized past instead of engaging with what is possible and good in the present?
4

Postwar narratives tied domestic consumption and the nuclear family to patriotism, but genuine responsibility today may mean protecting your time, attention, and boundaries rather than maximizing participation in consumer rituals.

Reflection Questions:

  • • In what ways do you still feel pressure to prove you're a "good" family member or citizen through shopping or hosting during the holidays?
  • • How might your well-being improve if you treated your time and attention as scarce resources to be invested carefully instead of automatically spent on obligations?
  • • What is one boundary you could set this season-around events, spending, or emotional labor-that would meaningfully protect your energy?
5

Holidays are prime times for emotional manipulation, but you retain the right to decline invitations, reduce contact, or choose solitude if that is what keeps you safe and sane.

Reflection Questions:

  • • Where in your holiday plans do you feel a sense of dread or resentment, and what does that tell you about the boundaries you need?
  • • How would your experience change if you gave yourself explicit permission to say no to one recurring obligation that reliably harms your mental health?
  • • Who could you enlist-friends, partners, or even pets-to help you create an alternative, healthier way to spend a difficult holiday day?

Episode Summary - Notes by Drew

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