Host Molly Webster talks with deep-sea explorer and oceanographer Edie Witter about her decades studying bioluminescence in the deep ocean. Witter describes her first encounters with glowing deep-sea creatures, the many survival functions of bioluminescence, and the surprising evolutionary origin of light-producing bacteria. The conversation explores how light operates as camouflage, weapon, and communication system in the deep sea, and how interacting with bioluminescent life can profoundly affect human perception and awe.
Ecosystem ecologist Yadvinder Mali explains how he and colleagues measure and map the flows of energy, carbon, and nutrients that sustain ecosystems, from forests and soils to coral reefs. He introduces the idea of "vibrancy"-the complexity and spread of energy through many species-as a key determinant of ecosystem health and resilience. Using examples from English woodlands, savannas, and tropical atolls, he argues that valuing nature only for carbon undermines this vibrancy, and that working with the wild energies of the biosphere gives both ecosystems and human communities their best chance to adapt to climate change.