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The Ramsey Show

Your Financial Comeback Starts Today

with Bear Grylls

Published October 20, 2025
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About This Episode

Ken Coleman and George Kamel host a call-in episode focused on getting control of money through budgeting, increasing income, and making hard lifestyle choices to get out of debt. Callers wrestle with irregular income, large student loans, credit card debt, car and housing decisions, work-family balance, and how to handle financial entanglements with relatives or partners. Bear Grylls joins in-studio to discuss his faith and his new book retelling the life of Jesus as an action-filled narrative aimed at people who may never read the Bible.

Topics Covered

Debt payoff snowball method Budgeting Student loans Mortgage Side hustles Retirement savings Financial independence Relationships Religion and spirituality

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Quick Takeaways

  • Irregular income and debt feel overwhelming until you put every dollar on paper, prioritize four walls, and then attack debts with a clear plan while looking for higher-paying work.
  • Large car loans and mortgages can silently choke a budget; selling an overpowered vehicle or simplifying real estate often unlocks hundreds or thousands per month in cash flow.
  • Side hustles like dog sitting, Uber driving, and tax prep can dramatically shorten a debt payoff timeline when combined with extreme focus and lifestyle sacrifice.
  • Helping family financially is noble, but allowing parents or adult children to jeopardize your housing or basic needs is unsustainable-you must stabilize yourself first.
  • Young adults can absolutely build more wealth than their parents by avoiding student debt, renting at first, and resisting risky financial entanglements like co-owning a house with a girlfriend's parent.
  • For big goals like graduate school or early retirement, planning several years ahead and stacking cash beats taking on six-figure student loans.
  • Treating debt as the villain, not yourself, helps channel anger into action instead of shame, making it easier to cut spending and say no to social pressure.
  • Bear Grylls describes faith as a daily source of strength that has carried him through military service, expeditions, and public life, and he aims to retell the story of Jesus in a way that reaches people far beyond traditional church settings.

Podcast Notes

Show introduction and hosts set the tone

Ken Coleman and George Kamel introduce themselves and the show

Ken highlights that "normal is broke" and the show exists to help listeners transform their lives[0:08]
George and Ken joke about keeping things light while handling heavy financial and life topics[0:57]
They give the call-in number and invite listeners to join the conversation[0:46]

Caller Keith from Portland: truck driver with student loans and irregular income

Keith's financial and work situation

Keith is a truck driver making about $70,000 per year but says his pay is irregular because he is paid by the mile[1:22]
He has about $80,000 in school debt and is currently not making any payments; his required payment is currently $0[2:17]
Regular bills: $1,200 mortgage, about $650 in insurance, $509 car payment, about $110 monthly medications, plus shared utilities with his mother whom he helps care for[3:05]
• He notes his mother receives Social Security, and they share "everything" in terms of household bills

Understanding his income inconsistency

Keith is paid every two weeks; bad months net about $2,900, good months around $3,800-$3,900[3:16]
George points out that even in a bad month, his income covers the bills Keith listed, and asks why he isn't getting more miles[3:27]
Keith explains his company has contracts with large grocery chains (Albertsons, Kroger, Fred Meyer group), implying his available miles are limited by the employer[4:04]

Ken suggests career and income changes

Ken floats the idea that Keith may need a more reliable and better-paying trucking job[4:17]
Ken notes Keith also has a degree he borrowed for, and implies they will eventually discuss using that education[4:24]

Keith's education, criminal record, and debt details

Keith went to prison for aggravated battery and later began studying accounting to become a "business turnaround" professional[5:03]
• His parole officer told him he would not be allowed to be licensed in that field because of his record
After being told he couldn't be licensed, he switched majors to communications but never finished the degree[4:57]
He accumulated the $80,000 in student debt while going to school and taking out money for that degree[5:18]
His car loan balance is about $21,900-22,000[5:42]
He has roughly $3,500 in personal debt from charge-offs with businesses he had dealt with[5:57]
• George sums it up as over $100,000 in total debt on a $70,000 income

Advice for Keith: focus on budgeting and higher income

George emphasizes removing emotion from the situation and looking at the math so Keith can turn around his life, not just his money[6:27]
Ken states Keith short term needs to focus on getting a better-paying driving job while George helps him with budgeting[6:53]
George asks if the student loans were consolidated; Keith believes they were, and that he is in a deferment/forbearance-type situation where interest is accruing[8:02]
George warns that if Keith doesn't start paying, the balance will grow from $80,000 to $100,000 quickly due to accruing interest[8:02]
They gift Keith Ken Coleman's book "Find the Work You're Wired to Do" with the Get Clear Career Assessment to help his job search[8:15]
They also give him access to EveryDollar Premium budgeting tool so he can take control of his money[8:23]
Ken summarizes the formula for Keith: use EveryDollar to gain control over his money, then go make more money; those two steps will change his life[8:37]

Caller Paul from Knoxville: balancing providing for family with being present

Paul's high-level question and Ken's reframing

Paul asks how a husband and father can balance providing for his family with being an active, present, godly leader at home[10:38]
Ken calls this a 75,000-foot question and tries to get more specific, suspecting guilt about time away working[11:04]
Contrary to Ken's guess, Paul says he's actually worried he may need a second job after recently starting a new job post-layoff, which would mean seeing less of his family[11:37]

Paul's income drop and budget gap

Paul was laid off for three months and had been working from home previously[11:53]
New job has great benefits but not enough take-home pay; he is about $1,200 short per month according to his budget[11:31]
Current gross salary is $61,141 per year; previous job paid $82,000 as a software developer[13:08]
New role is a government job as a computer programmer analyst in a lower cost-of-living area, contributing to lower pay[13:25]
Paul notes benefits are so good that total compensation with benefits would be around $82,000, but Ken points out benefits don't help if he can't put food on the table[14:09]

Family situation and Ken's perspective on seasons of more work

Paul's kids are almost 2, 8, 10, and 12; he had been working from home before the layoff, so the kids were used to him around[12:10]
Ken notes the two-year-old has no concept of time, and by 12 kids are more independent; he believes Paul may be making the time issue bigger in his head than it is[12:16]
Ken says providing adequately for the family is the primary responsibility; working more hours and seeing the family less is acceptable "for a season" to get into a better situation[12:33]

Debt situation and recommended plan

Paul and his wife had begun the Baby Steps about five months earlier; they fully funded Baby Step 1 and had just begun Baby Step 2 when he was laid off[15:05]
Total non-mortgage debt is $10,948.45; once paid off, this would free roughly $700 in monthly payments[15:22]
Current mortgage balance is $172,000 with about a $1,200 monthly payment[17:17]
New job take-home pay is about $3,900 per month after mandatory 5% pension contribution and medical/dental/vision[17:17]
George calls side hustles a band-aid and argues they must fix the root problem: under-earning relative to Paul's skill set[14:56]
They advise Paul to find a higher-paying software-related job, potentially remote or with better long-term prospects, aiming toward $100,000 income[18:18]

Role of Paul's wife and homeschooling in solving the money problem

Paul's wife homeschools three of the four kids and keeps the house running; some of the older kids are starting to use online resources[16:04]
George challenges Paul to reconsider their homeschooling rhythm so that his wife could also contribute income during this tight season[16:38]
They suggest his wife could work in the evenings once Paul is home, or adjust homeschooling so she can work some during the day[16:52]
Ken argues that a stressed dad who is $1,200 short each month isn't truly present with his family; solving the math problem will actually help him be more present[17:11]

Caller Erin from Little Rock: Christmas spending limits while in Baby Step 2

Erin's debt payoff progress and Christmas concern

Erin is a single mom of three boys and works one corporate job plus two side gigs[22:02]
She started the Baby Steps about two months ago and has paid off about $5,000 of debt so far, with about $29,000 left[21:50]
She is worried about how much to spend on Christmas for her kids, having heard suggested price limits on the show but without remembering specifics[22:16]

Kids' ages, expectations, and Erin's guilt

Her boys are 11, 8, and 5 years old[21:56]
The kids want PlayStation 5 consoles; Erin has already told them PS5s are not in the budget[23:37]
She admits she has "gone crazy" on Christmas in the past and never tracked how much she spent[24:15]
She estimates about 90% of her overspending comes from guilt over what her children have been through[23:54]

Deciding on a realistic Christmas budget

When pressed, Erin says her "absolute top" was probably $500 per child, though she acknowledges that feels high[24:57]
George reacts strongly that $500 per child is too much in her situation and suggests more frugal, creative options[25:01]
George proposes around $100 per child (about $300 total) as a fair budget while she is aggressively paying off debt[25:10]
They suggest experiences like a "dream day"-arcade, Chuck E. Cheese, and other fun activities instead of expensive individual gifts[25:21]

Reframing Christmas around meaning and generosity

Ken shares an idea from a mentoring couple: model Christmas after the three gifts given to Jesus by the wise men, focusing on a few meaningful gifts instead of many[25:41]
They talk about choosing one "really awesome" gift and some good ones rather than piles of presents, to keep the focus on what Christmas is really about[26:05]
George suggests having the kids write to Santa about an experience they would enjoy, to shift them from thinking about stuff to thinking about doing something fun[27:03]
Ken shares that his wife once had their kids pick a gift to give away and then delivered those gifts to a children's hospital, teaching generosity even when it was hard[27:37]
They emphasize that Erin's kids will be okay with a leaner Christmas and that her quality time and love matter far more than the dollar amount spent[27:37]

Interview with Bear Grylls: his book on the life of Jesus and integrating faith and adventure

Introducing Bear Grylls and his new book

Ken introduces Bear Grylls as a friend of Dave Ramsey and an iconic adventurer, joking about Bear's accent, name, and charisma[32:43]
Bear is in studio to talk not about a TV show but about his new book, "The Greatest Story Ever Told"[33:42]
Bear describes the book as telling the story of Christ as a short, punchy thriller under the name Yeshua, aimed at people who have never read the Bible[34:00]

Why Bear wrote the book and his view of Jesus

Bear says many people only know isolated stories like the Nativity or Good Samaritan and have no sense of the full story of Jesus[34:24]
He wanted to strip away a sanitized, distant version of faith he knew as a child where church was in Latin and God seemed angry in white robes[34:48]
He emphasizes Jesus as free, beautiful, radical, fun, countercultural, and deeply attractive to everyday people[35:13]
Bear calls writing the book the hardest but best thing he has done; he receives more responses about it than any TV show[35:32]

Structure of the book and historical grounding

The story is told from the first-person perspectives of five eyewitnesses: Mary (Jesus' mother), Thomas, Peter, John, and Mary Magdalene[35:55]
• Mary is portrayed as young, nervous, and scared about being pregnant out of wedlock but choosing trust
• Thomas is depicted as super skeptical, refusing to be persuaded by rumors and miracles
• Peter appears as a reckless, impulsive fisherman who becomes a close friend
• John is presented as more clinical, and Mary Magdalene as young, broken, and healed by Jesus
Bear notes he worked with theologians associated with "The Chosen" and the Come and See Foundation to ensure theological depth and accuracy[35:35]

Bear's faith, career, and the "greatest story" claim

George shares that Ramsey Solutions ends the show referencing walking with the "Prince of Peace, Christ Jesus", showing faith underpins the company[36:15]
Bear quotes a line attributed to St. Augustine: preach the gospel everywhere, to everyone, at all times; where necessary, use words[36:31]
He says it's a shame if faith is boxed into Sundays; for him it informs confidence, hope, aspirations, and how he relates to people and nature[37:05]
Bear argues that if the story of Christ is true, it is the greatest story ever told because it changes everything for all people across time[39:52]
He describes his own teenage prayer under a tree-"please God be with me, amen"-as lighting a flame that has never gone out[40:16]
• He says that presence saw him through his time in the special forces, summiting Everest, jungles, deserts, mountains, and family life
Bear compares humans to a glove and faith to the hand that fills it; without faith we are limp, with faith we can live fully[39:56]
He says he'd give up everything else in a heartbeat to have written this book and see it touch lives[39:29]

Caller Natalie from Sacramento: using savings vs paying debt and dealing with a large car loan

Natalie's savings and debt snapshot

Natalie and her husband are both veterans and have about $12,500 in savings[43:47]
They have about $87,298 in debt across two student loans, a new car loan, and a credit card[44:05]
Balances: $1,903 on the credit card; student loans of $19,581 and $20,978; car loan of $44,836[44:05]
The car is a 2022 Toyota 4Runner with just over 30,000 miles[44:56]
Household income: approximately $4,960 from paychecks plus about $4,080 from VA disability, totaling around $9,000 per month take-home[45:32]

Applying the Baby Steps and confronting the car payment

George advises following Baby Step 1 and 2: keep $1,000 as a starter emergency fund and put the remaining $11,500 from savings toward the debts[45:54]
They point out that using the savings would eliminate the credit card and significantly reduce one of the student loans immediately[46:02]
Their car payment is $667 a month, which George frames as nearly a $1,000 gross monthly raise if they got rid of it[47:13]
They estimate the car's value might be in the low- to mid-$30,000s and instruct Natalie to check private party value on KBB to see if she is underwater[44:48]
If they are underwater, they suggest using part of the savings to clear the title and then buying a $5,000-$7,000 used car with remaining savings[49:12]
Natalie admits she got the 4Runner because her previous car died, but Ken notes she didn't have to buy a $40,000 vehicle[48:03]

Aligning financial decisions with long-term dreams

Natalie says they want to move out of California, eventually adopt, and get a house, and she knows they can't do that with all their current debt[49:12]
She admits she has been trying to build savings for a house down payment while her husband pushes to pay more toward debt[49:35]
The hosts challenge her, saying house savings must wait until debts are gone and an emergency fund is built[49:12]
Ken notes that the dream of moving, adopting, and home ownership is bigger than the dream of the 4Runner; the car can be replaced later[50:13]
They emphasize living on "rice and beans, beans and rice" and not seeing the inside of a restaurant except to wait tables, in order to get out of debt quickly[51:00]

Caller Gabe from Pittsburgh: seeking passive income as a debt-free student with savings

Gabe's impressive starting position

Gabe is a first-year college student with $30,000 saved from working in high school and will graduate debt-free because his parents are paying tuition[54:02]
He wants to know how to create passive income with his savings while he is in school[54:14]
He has currently put $3,000 into a Roth IRA, $10,000 in a CD at about 4%, $10,000 in a money market, $7,000 in savings, and about $500 in single stocks[53:49]

Hosts push back on the "passive income" narrative

Ken notes that experts in so-called passive income all admit there is nothing truly passive about it; it takes significant upfront work or ongoing effort[54:14]
He uses his own digital product as an example: it earns while he sleeps now, but it took "a lot of blood, sweat, and tears" to create[54:14]
George cautions Gabe against scattering money across many accounts and dabbling in single stocks or crypto, which can quickly turn into gambling[54:30]
They recommend shifting from asking "How can I make money?" to "What value can I create based on my passions and skills?" for any future business pursuits[54:30]

Gabe's career plan and the looming cost of grad school

Gabe is majoring in nursing and wants to become a nurse anesthetist (CRNA)[55:26]
He will need two years of work experience as a nurse before applying to CRNA school, which he estimates could cost $100,000-$150,000[56:33]
The hosts express concern that he might be tempted to take on $200,000 of student debt post-grad if he doesn't plan ahead[56:33]

Plan to cash-flow graduate school instead of borrowing

Ken suggests keeping the $30,000 in a safe place (like a high-yield savings account) instead of chasing returns, since it's meant for grad school in a few years[57:31]
George notes that CDs lock up money for a term, whereas a high-yield savings account would keep the funds accessible for tuition[57:13]
They outline the goal of saving roughly $100,000 by combining Gabe's existing $30,000 with aggressive savings from nursing income over a few years[58:23]
They advise against Robinhood, single stocks, crypto, or leveraged real estate at this stage, and encourage Gabe to focus on stacking cash and finishing school[58:05]

Listener Nicholas: family phone plan and being taken advantage of

Nicholas's situation on the shared family plan

Nicholas and his parents and adult siblings share a family cell phone plan even though they live in different households[1:05:29]
Everyone originally agreed to pay their portion to the sibling who is the account owner, but bills were getting overdue and the plan risked cancellation[1:05:30]
Nicholas took over paying the monthly bill to keep it current; since then, the account-owning sibling and another sibling both stopped paying their portions[1:05:45]
He can afford to pay for them but feels taken advantage of; the family even jokes about it at reunions[1:05:55]

Hosts' advice: stop being a doormat and end the arrangement

George bluntly says Nicholas has become a doormat and that his generosity is being exploited[1:06:10]
Ken and George find it problematic that everyone jokes about Nicholas footing the bill, seeing it as them laughing at him, not with him[1:05:53]
They recommend Nicholas remove himself from the shared plan altogether and get his own individual plan, encouraging the others to do the same[1:06:26]
They note that phone plans are not that expensive and there is little benefit to multiple adult households sharing a single plan given the relational complexity[1:06:26]

Caller Joseph from Los Angeles: combining substantial assets before marriage

Joseph and his fiancée's asset picture

Joseph and his girlfriend/fiancée are older, near retirement, and both own significant assets and debts, mostly real estate: house, ADU, commercial building, raw land, and some cash[1:08:00]
They plan to retire and live off these assets; Joseph is already retired and his fiancée plans to retire in about five years[1:06:26]
Combined, they have around $1.2 million in mortgage debt, mostly on properties, while a $5.5 million commercial building is owned free and clear[1:10:06]
That commercial building nets about $16,000 per month after expenses and taxes[1:09:24]
Joseph estimates his net worth at about $7.5 million and his fiancée's at about $1.9 million[1:10:06]

Recommended way to combine accounts and real estate

George suggests they create one joint checking account by moving his fiancée's checking money into his and adding her name[1:09:44]
They recommend one joint high-yield savings account for an emergency fund and another for sinking funds (like property maintenance), with both names on them[1:09:14]
They encourage them to put both names on all properties, to build wealth together instead of maintaining separate "yours and mine" silos[1:09:24]

Simplifying for retirement and reducing risk

When asked, Joseph says they could live comfortably on about $12,000 per month if debt were gone and housing costs stabilized[1:11:42]
Ken points out that the net income from the debt-free commercial building alone ($16,000/mo) can more than cover their desired $12,000 lifestyle[1:12:23]
They recommend simplifying by selling other real estate with mortgages, using proceeds to pay off all remaining debt and invest the rest, reducing complexity and risk[1:11:34]
George emphasizes that entering retirement with $1.2 million in mortgage debt is a lot of risk; paying it off gives peace and flexibility[1:11:02]

Caller Joel from Fairfax: trading a paid-for SUV for a classic muscle car as an "investment"

Joel's financial situation and idea

Joel is 56, single, makes $95,000 a year, and has a net worth of about $194,000, including a paid-for 2023 Bronco Sport[1:16:42]
He has about $25,000 in a high-yield savings account, $750 in checking after bills, $1,000 in another savings, and two 401(k)s totaling just over $143,000[1:15:53]
He rents because housing in his area is very expensive and he has moved often[1:15:50]
He wonders if selling his Bronco Sport and buying a restored classic muscle car could be an investment that grows in value and helps his net worth[1:16:25]

Hosts' response: classic car is a hobby, not a retirement plan

Ken and George both say firmly that a classic car should not be considered an investment; it's a luxury hobby and usually a liability[1:16:25]
They argue that making a classic the daily driver will further hurt its value and require expensive maintenance[1:18:16]
Ken references extreme auction sales (like certain Cobras or Hemi Cudas) to show that only extremely rare, historically significant cars appreciate massively[1:18:01]
They recommend Joel focus on stabilizing his housing by saving for a down payment and buying a home, rather than sinking tens of thousands into a fun car[1:17:33]
Joel says he would target a 71 or 72 Buick GS convertible; he has seen some between $30,000 and $40,000, while rarer 1970 models can go for $80,000-$130,000[1:17:55]
George frames the classic car as something Joel could eventually buy as a purely fun, separate goal once core financial milestones are met[1:18:16]

Caller Jeremy from Dallas: graduating, moving states, and a risky home purchase idea

Jeremy's strong starting point and questions

Jeremy is a college student about to graduate with no student debt, has $50,000 saved, and has a job offer out of state[1:25:57]
The job offer includes a $65,000 salary, a $10,000 moving stipend, and a free company vehicle[1:25:09]
He asks if college students today have as much chance to be successful as their parents and wonders if he can afford to move out and get a mortgage instead of renting[1:25:57]

Parents' influence and his risky plan with his girlfriend's mom

Jeremy says his dad has always told him not to rent, which pressures him to want a mortgage immediately[1:26:33]
He reveals a plan to buy a house in Tennessee co-owned with his girlfriend's mom; his parents know and are fine with it because they like her and trust her[1:26:42]
George and Ken react strongly, calling this extremely risky and asking if Jeremy is trolling them[1:27:22]
They point out obvious future problems if he and his girlfriend break up: arguments over who keeps the house while he is financially entangled with her mother[1:26:42]

Recommended path: slow down and rent first

They tell Jeremy he is off to a great start-debt-free, strong savings, solid job-and he doesn't need to rush into home ownership or complex legal entanglements[1:28:56]
George suggests he move for the job, rent for a year or two (possibly with roommates), learn the area, and then buy a home on his own later[1:28:27]
They stress that his hypothetical future of owning a home by age 25 is still far ahead of the national average age for first-time homeowners[1:29:16]
They warn that if he continues to make decisions at "90 miles an hour," he will eventually wreck his finances and relationships[1:29:44]

Caller Tracy from Houston: shopaholic credit card debt and struggling to begin the snowball

Tracy's debt problem and emotional context

Tracy and her husband are facing so much credit card debt that some months they must choose between groceries and paying minimums[1:37:18]
She wants to start the debt snowball but says she doesn't have extra money beyond minimum payments[1:37:24]
They bring home about $4,700 per month; minimum payments on credit cards alone total almost $1,200[1:37:24]
Their mortgage is $900 per month[1:36:31]
She describes herself as an undiagnosed shopaholic and says she's working with a therapist on the issue[1:39:07]
Most of the $29,500 in credit card debt came from repeatedly maxing out cards, opening new ones, and maxing those out too[1:40:00]
She also has $11,000 in personal loans, making roughly $40,000 in non-mortgage debt[1:40:08]

Stopping the bleeding and prioritizing four walls

George asks if she's stopped using credit; she says she has frozen her credit at the bureaus but hasn't yet closed accounts or cut up cards[1:40:00]
They strongly advise cutting up all credit cards and closing those accounts to eliminate the temptation, even if creditors offer deals to keep her[1:40:00]
They emphasize the Ramsey principle of paying for the four walls first: food, utilities, housing, and transportation[1:40:25]
George tells her that if she cannot pay credit card minimums after covering the four walls, then the cards simply don't get paid that month[1:40:00]
He warns that some accounts may go to collections, but her family's survival is more important than the collectors' demands[1:39:34]
They suggest calling creditors to try to negotiate lower interest rates, which could slow the balance growth and provide some breathing room[1:40:45]

Mindset and accountability for long-term change

Ken stresses that Tracy must sit in the pain of her situation long enough to decide she never wants to be here again, instead of soothing that pain with more shopping[1:40:57]
They encourage her to work with her therapist to identify accountability partners and systems that prevent future relapses into credit spending[1:42:16]

Debt-free scream: Lexi from Melbourne, Florida pays off student loans by hustling

Lexi's debt payoff story

Lexi paid off $56,569 in student loans in about a year and a half[1:46:35]
Her income during that period was about $120,000 per year[1:46:35]
She works as a project manager for a corporate job and lives in Melbourne, Florida (about an hour from Orlando)[1:46:22]

Side hustles and sacrifices she made

Lexi dog-sat almost every weekend, usually staying in the dogs' homes, allowing her to earn roughly $300 per weekend when watching multiple dogs[1:46:50]
She also drove Uber during evenings and late nights when she wasn't dog-sitting, about 10 hours per week[1:46:52]
She had recently moved to Florida when she started this journey and had no friends yet; driving for Uber became a source of social interaction[1:48:21]
One of the hardest emotional moments was dropping riders off at the cruise port and feeling the urge to "jump on the ship" with them instead of hustling[1:47:53]
She skipped a friend's bachelorette trip and once did a Christmas where she bought no gifts for anyone to stay focused on debt payoff[1:47:09]

How she got motivated and what she learned

Her parents recommended the Ramsey program; after watching the first video and hearing Dave, she decided to go "gazelle intense"[1:48:47]
Lexi says the key is to get "mad at the debt" (not at yourself), treating the borrower-as-slave dynamic as a motivator to do anything to pay it off[1:48:25]
She forgave herself for past mistakes and focused anger on the debt, channeling it into extra work and frugality[1:48:25]
Her parents also started attacking their mortgage and are racing her to become completely debt-free; she reached the stage first[1:47:59]
Lexi now invests 15% of her income (Baby Step 4) and also does life coaching for women in their 20s to 40s[1:48:57]
Future goals include traveling more and someday paying for her family to take a fully funded trip[1:49:09]
She describes being debt-free as having a weight lifted; no more automatic payments yanking money from her account and she sleeps better[1:48:45]

Debt-free scream moment

Ken counts her down and Lexi yells, "I'm debt-free!" on the Ramsey debt-free stage[1:50:11]

Caller Gary from Texas: behind on mortgage while supporting his mom

Gary's foreclosure scare and house condition

Gary and his wife bought a house that quickly began falling apart: foundation issues, ceiling falling in, heater went out the first winter, and electrical problems[1:57:00]
He fell behind on bills, missed about five or six mortgage payments in a row, and the house went into foreclosure status[1:57:04]
His mortgage payment is about $2,000 a month; he estimates being roughly $10,000 behind[1:57:04]
Most of the house issues are currently in disrepair because everything started failing at once and he couldn't afford to fix them[1:57:00]

Income, helping his mother, and missing payments despite good income

Gary now makes about $8,000 per month; his wife makes around $2,000, so household income is about $10,000 per month[1:57:40]
He also helps his mom financially because of her bad health, paying at least her $1,200 monthly mortgage[1:58:55]
When asked why he's behind on his own mortgage with that income, he cites missing work earlier and helping his mom as primary reasons[1:57:49]
He has around $5,000 currently in his bank account[1:59:16]
He previously made only about $4,000 per month before starting his current job a little over a year ago[1:59:54]

Hosts insist on prioritizing his own household and communicating with the lender

George says that with $10,000 in monthly income, Gary could catch up in about two months by paying $5,000 now and $5,000 next month if he stops sending money to his mom temporarily[2:00:18]
They tell him to call his lender immediately, explain he's $10,000 behind, and propose a repayment plan while resuming normal payments[2:00:22]
They stress that he must cover his own four walls and mortgage before helping his mother or anyone else, or he will end up homeless[2:00:35]
Gary is emotional and pushes back, worried about what will happen to his mom; he mentions she's in bad health and that he recently lost his brother, leaving him as the only one helping her[2:01:26]
Ken and George acknowledge his grief and sense of duty but maintain that he must "put on his own mask first" financially[2:01:56]
They suggest that in the long term, he and his mom may need to consider selling her house and finding different housing, but the immediate priority is saving his own home[2:02:04]

Need for a real budget and spousal alignment

Gary admits he doesn't know exactly where the money is going each month; his wife tracks many expenses, and he is unsure how much beyond the $1,200 mortgage he sends to his mom[2:02:48]
The hosts say he and his wife must sit down, review their bank statements, and create a detailed budget to find out where $120,000 a year is disappearing[2:03:16]
They reiterate that once a clear budget is in place, they can make the hard choices needed to get current on the mortgage and then tackle repairs and other obligations[2:03:09]

Closing reminder

Spiritual sign-off

The show ends with the reminder that there is ultimately only one way to financial peace: to walk daily with the Prince of Peace, Christ Jesus[2:05:37]

Lessons Learned

Actionable insights and wisdom you can apply to your business, career, and personal life.

1

A clear, written budget combined with a focused plan to increase income is often the fastest way out of financial chaos, even when the income feels irregular or insufficient.

Reflection Questions:

  • • What would my monthly budget look like if I listed every fixed bill and then assigned every remaining dollar to a specific purpose before the month begins?
  • • How could I realistically increase my income over the next 6-12 months through a better job, overtime, or targeted side work?
  • • When will I set aside uninterrupted time this week to sit down (alone or with my partner) and build a zero-based budget from scratch?
2

Expensive, financed assets like new cars or multiple mortgaged properties quietly drain your cash flow; selling them and downsizing can feel painful but often creates the margin you are desperately missing.

Reflection Questions:

  • • Which of my big-ticket items (cars, toys, properties) are actually limiting my monthly cash flow more than they improve my life?
  • • How would my stress level change if I freed up several hundred dollars a month by selling one burdensome asset and replacing it with a cheaper alternative?
  • • What concrete steps could I take this month to get an accurate valuation and potential sale plan for my most expensive, financed asset?
3

Avoid entangling your finances with people you are not married to, or in ways that allow family members to repeatedly cross your boundaries; generosity without boundaries leads to resentment and instability.

Reflection Questions:

  • • Where am I currently paying for someone else's responsibilities in a way that threatens my own financial stability or housing?
  • • How could I communicate a clear, kind boundary to family or friends who rely on me financially, while still caring about their wellbeing?
  • • What specific financial decisions (like shared phone plans, co-signed loans, or co-owned property) do I need to unwind or avoid in the future to protect my relationships and my money?
4

For large, predictable goals like graduate school, retirement, or a home purchase, planning several years ahead and stacking cash methodically is far safer than assuming future debt will take care of it.

Reflection Questions:

  • • What big expenses are on my horizon in the next 3-7 years that I have not yet created a concrete savings plan for?
  • • How might my future options expand if I decided today to cash-flow that goal instead of borrowing for it later?
  • • What monthly savings amount would I need to set aside, starting now, to fully fund my next major goal without taking on debt?
5

Treating debt as the enemy-not yourself-helps transform guilt and shame into productive anger that fuels sacrifice, extra work, and smarter decisions.

Reflection Questions:

  • • In what ways have I been blaming or shaming myself for past money mistakes instead of focusing on eliminating the debt itself?
  • • How would my behavior change if I saw every dollar of interest as money being stolen from my future by lenders?
  • • What sacrifices (extra work, skipped trips, cheaper holidays) am I willing to make for 12-18 months if I view them as a focused campaign to defeat my debt?
6

You can't sustainably rescue others-whether parents, adult children, or friends-if your own financial foundation is crumbling; you must stabilize your own four walls before extending long-term help.

Reflection Questions:

  • • Where am I currently jeopardizing my own four walls (food, utilities, housing, transportation) to help someone else?
  • • How could I support struggling family members in non-financial ways or with short-term, clearly defined help instead of open-ended subsidies?
  • • What specific milestones (like being current on my mortgage, having an emergency fund, or being debt-free) will I require before I commit to any substantial financial support for others?

Episode Summary - Notes by Blake

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