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My First Million

How Alex Hormozi Gets Other People To Build His $100M+ Empire

with Alex Hormozi

Published November 14, 2025
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About This Episode

The host and Alex discuss how to think about talent, hiring, and leadership, including frameworks for diagnosing employee performance issues and prioritizing intelligence and small skill gaps in recruiting. They explore the evolution from operator to 'collector of people,' the importance of pattern recognition in building teams, and how to identify true partners versus employees. The conversation broadens into trade-offs between work and life, patience versus speed, the role of networks and alternative education, copywriting and persuasion, and Alex's current reflections on mortality, happiness, and redefining his priorities beyond business.

Topics Covered

Entrepreneurship Hiring philosophy Leadership and management Content creation Copywriting Personal development Performance management Work ethic Pattern recognition Relationships

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Quick Takeaways

  • Frameworks often emerge when you need to repeatedly teach or reuse the same decision process, turning implicit patterns into explicit tools.
  • When diagnosing underperformance, start with clarity (what, how, when) and blockers before assuming a motivation problem.
  • Hire for the smallest skill deficiency and prioritize general intelligence (rate of learning) so people can quickly bridge skill gaps.
  • For repeatable roles, use structured, work-sample based hiring (scripts for salespeople, edit tests for editors) to filter by skill and coachability.
  • Experienced entrepreneurs develop pattern recognition around talent, which speeds up assembling teams in later ventures.
  • True A-plus people operate as thought partners, bring their own networks, and can work from 'clouds to dirt' across strategy and execution.
  • The highest returns on capital for entrepreneurs often come from talent, making overpaying for the right person rational if the ROI pencils out.
  • Firing decisions should balance compassion with the greater good of the organization, avoiding short-term comfort at the cost of long-term harm.
  • Alex views entrepreneurship as an intense personal development path and is currently re-evaluating his life "pie chart" after a major launch and his mother's death.
  • Effective persuasion and copy depend on specific, observable descriptions of pain and behavior rather than vague, motivational abstractions.

Podcast Notes

Opening discussion on talent and entrepreneurial returns

Talent as the highest-return investment

Alex argues that talent provides the highest returns on capital for entrepreneurs[0:00]
• He cites 10x, 20x, even 100x returns as reliably achievable via great hires compared to other investments
Mindset difference between "filling a role" and "must-hire" people[0:09]
• If he's thinking "I really have to fill this role," it usually leads to the wrong person
• If he thinks "I don't even care if I have a role for this person, I have to get them in," it's usually the right hire

Growth cycles as virtuous or vicious depending on talent

Alex views growth and talent as reinforcing loops[0:27]
• The faster you grow, the more talent you attract, which in turn makes you grow faster
• He notes this cycle can also be vicious in the opposite direction, and the host adds that it is "mostly vicious" in practice

Framework thinking and management models

Host contrasts his thinking style with Alex's framework orientation

Host says he doesn't naturally think in frameworks and feels like a "Neanderthal" compared to Alex and a mutual friend, Ryan[1:11]
• Ryan questioned how the host learns something and teaches it to his team without frameworks, making the host feel inadequate

Alex explains how and why he creates frameworks

Frameworks arise from needing to reuse the same thought process repeatedly[1:34]
• Rather than re-derive decisions each time, he codifies them as frameworks for mental shorthand
Example: his "MOSI six" scaling framework[2:16]
• He mentions a framework with six constraints on business: more, metrics, market, model, money, and manpower
• Under the model component, there are four offshoots, showing nested decision trees
Alex believes the host already thinks in frameworks but hasn't documented them[2:17]
• He frames his view as an opinion that the host has implicit structures he could crystallize

The "diamond" framework for managing underperformance

Host describes Alex's "diamond" for when employees aren't doing what you want[2:36]
• Four main possibilities: they don't know what you want, they don't know how, they aren't motivated, or they don't know when it's due
• Alex adds a fifth factor: something may be blocking them from acting
Alex describes creating the management framework from experience[3:22]
• He says he doesn't read as much as he "should" and most frameworks come from doing the work, then needing a simple description
• If he later finds similar ideas in books, he treats that as corroboration rather than inspiration
Using the framework to avoid attacking people[3:41]
• Instead of labeling someone "lazy," he assumes employees want to stay employed and do a good job
• He walks through miscommunications as his responsibility: not specifying what, not providing training (how), or not setting deadlines (when)
• Only after ruling out clarity and blockers does he consider lack of motivation, and even then as a last explanation

Attitude vs aptitude, skill deficits, and intelligence in hiring

Reframing "attitude vs aptitude" as skill deficiency and training cost

Alex was bothered by the common "hire for attitude vs aptitude" phrase[5:04]
• He believes any deficit is fundamentally a missing skill and the real question is the size of the gap and cost to train it
Hiring for low-skill roles like maids or yogurt shop workers[4:57]
• He labels such roles as "low skill" technically, since cash register use and cleaning can be taught in about two hours
• In those roles, he prefers to hire for attitude (friendly, punctual, able to smile and chit-chat) because training the hard skills is cheap
• He contrasts hiring someone experienced at a register who is a "dick" as not worth it because training them not to be a jerk is too costly
Opposite case: world-class AI researcher[5:36]
• Here, a person can be "a bit of a dick" and still be worth it because their specialized talent is so rare and valuable
• You wouldn't realistically transform a friendly yogurt cashier into the #1 AI researcher
Hire for small skill deficiencies and evaluate training ROI[5:56]
• He always asks whether the business's resources are best used to train a given person, given the size of their skill gap
• He maintains that every skill is trainable in principle; the limiting factor is whether it's worth training relative to other options

Why Alex now hires heavily for general intelligence

Intelligence as rate of learning[6:51]
• He defines intelligence as "rate of learning" and believes more intelligent people close skill gaps faster
• Even if an intelligent hire starts behind, after six months they may surpass a more experienced but slower-learning person
Timeline as a key constraint in hiring and training[7:12]
• He uses the example of raising a toddler to a fully capable adult in 18 years to illustrate that any skill can be built with enough time
• He notes he may not have 18 years available for a role, so time horizon drives whether to pick intelligence plus training vs pre-existing skill

Assessing intelligence and structured interviews

Using questions and problem deconstruction to gauge intelligence

High-quality questions reveal research and complex thinking[7:27]
• He prefers candidates who ask specific, insightful questions that show they've researched his media brand and advisory practice and thought about revenue retention and alternate vehicles
• Generic questions like "what's the five-year vision" are not bad but signal less preparation, especially when such answers are already public
Case-style problem solving using real company issues[8:53]
• He notes consulting firms use case questions (e.g., ping pong balls in a 747) to see how candidates think, not to get the exact answer
• At acquisition.com they give top-level leadership candidates real current problems rather than hypotheticals, sometimes gaining free consulting
• They look for frameworks and experiences candidates bring out while working through these real cases

Different processes by role level: C-level vs repeatable roles

Highly structured processes for salespeople[10:34]
• Sales candidates who pass an initial screen receive a script and are invited to a group interview where they perform a 1-2 minute soundbite
• If they didn't rehearse, they sound bad, which filters for both skill and work ethic; poor performance means they either lack skill or effort
• Coaching them live on tweaks reveals coachability, ego, and speed of learning (intelligence)
IQ emphasized for sales roles selling to business owners[11:42]
• Alex references a book by the person who built HubSpot's sales team, who concluded IQ is the #1 factor, more important than charisma
• Selling to business owners requires enough horsepower that prospects don't feel they're talking to someone who "can't help them"
Work samples for editors and separating interview skill from job skill[12:22]
• For editors, they send raw footage and ask for a finished cut, evaluating only the end product to stay objective
• Alex points out interviewing is its own skill and doesn't necessarily correlate with editing or other technical abilities
Role nuance: communication skill vs raw intelligence[12:56]
• Layla has taught him that some very smart people communicate poorly but excel in roles that don't require high verbal polish
• He has also met charming people who are actually incompetent, and he has hired such people before and been burned

Pattern recognition, repeat entrepreneurship, and assembling organizations

Why second businesses tend to grow faster

Alex polls rooms of entrepreneurs about first vs second businesses[13:43]
• Most people in such rooms are on their second or later business, and most say the current one grew faster than the first
• He attributes this mainly to pattern recognition, especially about talent in different functions

Learning each level of role in a sales org and beyond

Early struggles hiring for key functions[13:20]
• As businesses approach $1-3M, founders must hire for functions like advertising, sales, low-level management, and delivery
• Entrepreneurs go through 6-12 month cycles of interviews and onboarding just to find a competent person in each area
• If hires don't work, they start over and the business plateaus at that level until a truly competent person is found
Granular pattern recognition by role tier[14:15]
• He lists SDR, SDR manager, closer, senior closer, closing manager, director of sales, VP of sales as distinct learned archetypes
• Over time he learned what each level "looks like" across departments, not just sales
Shifting from building to assembling businesses[15:17]
• With accumulated pattern recognition, starting new businesses becomes more about assembling known pieces than inventing from scratch

From operator to "collector of people" and talent snowball

Threshold where entrepreneurs must become talent collectors

Host references a Biblical metaphor: "fishers of men"[15:31]
• He links Jesus telling Peter he'll become a "fisher of men" to entrepreneurs crossing roughly $5M revenue who must collect people
• Alex agrees that beyond some threshold, the job becomes collecting human beings, which can be jarring because it's not why many started

Snowball of talent across multiple ventures

Reaping the benefits of a long-term talent reputation[16:21]
• Alex notes that after years of good outcomes and treating people well, some team members follow him from company to company
• He anticipates that in 20 more years, his core team may be much stronger as people coalesce around his preferred operating style and culture
Litmus test: C-level executives and their talent network[17:11]
• If a C-level hire has no network of strong people they've worked with, he finds that "weird"
• Either they never worked with any "studs" or those people don't want to follow them, which suggests poor leadership
• He expects senior leaders to bring some of their "black book" to help build functions quickly

Partners vs employees and full-stack C-level leaders

Alex's thought partners: Sharron and Layla

Sharron's strengths in scaling larger companies[17:33]
• Sharron has built two companies over $2B and is "great" at data pipelines, infrastructure, real-time dashboards, and "weaponizing" finance
• Alex says the bigger acquisition.com gets, the more it plays to Sharron's strengths
Alex's own core skill set vs Layla's[16:33]
• Alex frames his strengths as: letting people know about the product, getting them to pay, and ensuring they like it and tell friends (marketing, sales, product)
• He credits Layla with much of the people and talent philosophy he shared earlier and says those are not his "core core" strengths

Defining true A-plus talent as partners, not employees

Partners are people whose advice you seek when you don't know what to do[18:21]
• If he goes to someone for guidance on complex problems, he sees them as a partner; if he's only directing them, they're not a thought partner
Thought-partner test for C-level executives[19:07]
• He asks himself if he wants to talk to a given C-level hire about a complex problem; if not, they aren't adding enough value
• Truly essential C-levels are ones he naturally seeks out for their thinking, not just execution

Clouds-to-dirt and full-stack skill sets in leadership

Definition of "clouds to dirt"[18:47]
• He values leaders who can operate from high-level strategy (clouds) down to frontline tasks (dirt)
Example: best sales leaders can perform every role[18:32]
• A great sales leader can hop on the phone and book cold appointments like an SDR and also design overarching sales strategy and messaging
• They think about avatars, scripts, onboarding time, training, and how to structure the whole sales organization
• Alex says he has yet to find "truly exceptional" people who are not full-stack in their domain

Value proposition to top talent: growth, impact, and guaranteed demand

Competition for talent with big-tech and AI companies

Alex is competing with companies that offer high cash and equity[21:14]
• He acknowledges such companies can offer lots of money and equity as a "lottery ticket"
What acquisition.com offers beyond money[21:22]
• He says most people at his company come for growth and impact, with growth being the #1 reason
• The company is growing faster than many larger firms, creating more career advancement and a meritocratic environment
• He shares an example of someone who joined 90 days earlier, already at a high level, and then earned a very large promotion based purely on performance

Virtuous growth cycle and guaranteed demand

Growth rate amplifies ability to attract A-plus talent[22:24]
• Faster revenue growth enables more promotions and better offers, which in turn attracts better people and speeds growth further
Guaranteeing demand lowers risk for senior hires[23:15]
• For new divisions, Alex can promise substantial existing demand, making the job less risky than similar roles elsewhere
• He analogizes to someone working with a creator like MrBeast, where virtually any product (even umbrellas) would sell because of preexisting demand
• He frames the challenge as finding the best vehicle to deploy their built-in demand, not wondering if demand exists at all
Mission-driven applicants attracted by content[24:30]
• Many candidates say they've consumed Alex's content for years and feel excited when recruiters reach out
• He contrasts this with generic private equity firms that must compete primarily on compensation because their work is commoditized and less compelling

Hiring mistakes, settling, ROI of talent, and firing philosophy

Common hiring mistake: settling due to time pressure

Alex flags "settling" as the easy but dangerous answer[25:35]
• Time constraints push people to think "I have to fill this role," which often leads to choosing a suboptimal candidate
His internal bar for senior hires: "I have to have this person"[25:24]
• If he doesn't feel strongly compelled to get someone in even without a perfect role defined, they're probably not right for a top-level position

Willingness to overpay for exceptional talent

He is comfortable paying more than initially planned[26:01]
• He has no hesitation about raising comp if the person is the right fit and the ROI pencils out
Framing talent spend as a return on capital decision[26:45]
• He emphasizes that as long as he can spreadsheet the expected return from a hire, he will make the investment
• He reiterates that talent often yields 10x-100x returns, and arbitrage is usually higher higher up the org chart

Firing speed and constraint-based prioritization

Alex says they are getting faster at firing but it's context-dependent[27:09]
• He uses Layla's analogy: some fires are like a trash can burning in the driveway, not a kitchen fire, so they can wait if not constraining growth
• If an underperformer is in a non-constraint role, replacing them may not be top priority until that function limits the business
Nuanced triage using a color system[29:19]
• He imagines a yellow-orange-red spectrum: yellow can do the job but won't grow; orange can't fully do the job; red can't and is in a critical area
• Firing urgency combines how incompetent someone is with how critical their role is to current constraints
Balancing empathy with the "greater good" of the company[30:28]
• He recognizes firing feels terrible but frames keeping the wrong person as choosing short-term comfort over long-term pain for the organization
• He considers his responsibility to all employees who have entrusted their careers to him as "spiritual armor" to do hard personnel decisions

Patience, speed, standards, and intensity

Patience relative to the size of the goal (Everest vs foothill)

Host observes Alex's rapid apparent progress vs his message of patience[31:13]
• Alex's timelines (e.g., business milestones by early 30s) seem fast, making the host question how that squares with patience
Alex's framework: percentage growth vs absolute gain[32:26]
• He compares climbing Everest vs a foothill: both might grow 4% a year, but 4% of Everest is more altitude than 4% of a small hill
• He sees himself as patient relative to the large outcome he's targeting, while still acting with urgency day to day
Macro patience, micro speed as operating principle[32:51]
• He still sets deadlines, asks how to do things in half the time, and pulls the future forward by challenging assumed timelines
• He views much of management as constantly asking what it would take to accelerate and then deciding if the trade-off is worth it

Raising organizational speed through probing questions

Using deadline conversations to expose slack[33:26]
• A level-0 manager doesn't ask for deadlines; level-1 accepts them; level-2 asks what's blocking earlier delivery and reorders priorities
• He drills down to actual hours required and asks why something estimated at 4 hours can't be done by 4 p.m. the same day
• He attributes breakneck organizational speed to these frequent, mini-confrontational pushes on timelines and priorities

Nature vs nurture in high standards and intensity

Alex's lifelong intensity and "unbalanced" focus[36:16]
• He says his father always called him unbalanced because he would obsess over one thing and do nothing else until finished
Role of role models like Elon Musk in stretching beliefs[35:20]
• Seeing Elon's exponential career trajectory is refreshing for Alex, since it suggests massive outcomes can come later after long compounding
• He notes entrepreneurs need many skills and entrepreneurship gives real-time feedback that "you suck," forcing personal growth
• He believes most entrepreneurs reach a level then decide either "this is enough" or that the trade-offs beyond a certain point are not worth it

Mortality, eulogy exercise, and reevaluating life's pie chart

Confluence of launch, financial outcome, and mother's death

Three major events in 30 days[38:26]
• He completed a four-plus-year project culminating in the launch of his "hundred million dollar" series' Money Models piece
• That launch also brought a rapid financial outcome
• Within the same period his mother died in a freak accident, creating a mix of strong emotions

Writing his mother's eulogy and reflecting on values

Service and character dominated her eulogy[39:24]
• His mother was relatively accomplished, but most of her eulogy focused on service and character rather than achievements
• He compares that to the advice of writing one's own eulogy and realizing how little is about accomplishments
Reconsidering time allocation by eulogy "pie chart"[39:32]
• He imagines eulogy topics as a pie chart and asks whether his time allocation matches the share that will go to service, character, and achievements
• He acknowledges that one or two sentences about accomplishments might represent 15 years of life, with additional decades shifting the pie later
• His mother's sudden death also confronts him with the uncertainty of having those extra decades

Current life allocation and openness to change

Alex's current pie chart: work, health, marriage

Approximate percentages today[42:58]
• He estimates 70% of his life is work, 15% health, and 15% marriage (Layla)

Imagined future distribution with less work

He'd like to see a world where only 25-30% is business[43:39]
• He believes more of his output will come from leverage on decisions rather than raw hours, making reduced time conceivable
• He feels he's in a transition where team strength and previous bets are increasing leverage
Uncertainty around non-business pursuits[45:20]
• He does not yet know what would fill time if work shrank to 25%; he suspects he won't have trouble finding interests
• He notes business, working out, and Layla have been his "big three" for years, and for the first time he's open to other priorities

Hobbies, leisure, and potential future projects

Host's hobbies vs Alex's focus

Host enumerates his non-business hobbies[46:07]
• He mentions liking history, clothes, cars, and motorcycles, contrasting with Alex's lack of visible hobbies
Alex's admission of being open to new priorities[46:23]
• He reiterates that for roughly 21 years (since age ~15) he's been laser-focused on making money and business
• He is now, for the first time, receptive to other priorities and to the mix of activities changing

Writing as a likely non-financial pursuit

Alex says he is happiest when writing[1:14:05]
• He expects to write a book that doesn't have real financial benefit, likely about learning and behavior
• He believes such a book could potentially change more lives than all his other books combined

History, credit, and how much work top executives did historically

Host shares takeaways from a book on 1929 and the Great Depression

Credit expansion and over-leverage before the crash[47:41]
• GM invented consumer credit, Sears offered layaway, and Citibank's predecessor lent at 10:1 margin to buy stocks
• When markets dipped, over-leveraged positions caused a domino effect, contributing to the Great Depression
Executives of that era didn't seem to work extremely hard[47:59]
• He cites leaders who made inflation-adjusted ~$100M/year, worked roughly 10-5, and took summer-long European trips by boat
• He mentions Andrew Carnegie and Ted Turner also maintaining significant leisure (e.g., months-long sailboat racing) while building empires
Tension between modern "hard work" gospel and historical examples of less intensity[48:41]
• He notes contemporary quotes like "you don't move mountains working 9-5" and contrasts them with stories of rich historical figures working modest hours
• He is intrigued by how much can be accomplished seemingly without extreme work intensity

Alex's thought experiment: replace yourself with a perfect clone

If you hired a perfect version of yourself, what changes?[50:06]
• He suggests thinking about "perfect Sam" who does everything the host does; after paying his salary, profit might still be similar or larger in the long run
• Many entrepreneurs would immediately start a new job/business, whereas others might simply not work further and let the assembled team grow the company
• He notes growth fundamentally comes from functions being done, not necessarily by the founder personally

Alternative education, networks, and types of knowledge

Courses vs networks in Alex's learning journey

He identifies as a product of alternative education[51:35]
• He bought books, courses, and workshops and considers them more than worth it for procedural skills
Declarative vs procedural knowledge distinction[51:52]
• Declarative knowledge is "knowledge about stuff"; procedural is "knowledge how to do stuff"
• DIY courses mainly teach procedural tasks like setting up landing pages, writing copy, or making video sales letters
Networks and belief-breaking as step-change drivers[52:05]
• Associating with people further ahead gave him order-of-magnitude jumps by exposing him to paths he didn't know existed
• He values people telling him "here's what the next 5 years look like if you keep doing this" versus "here's what you need to do instead"

Desire to shadow top operators and learn their frameworks

People Alex would love to shadow

Obvious big-tech leaders: Elon, Zuck, Bezos[53:05]
• He'd especially like to shadow Bezos 10 years ago when he was more in the thick of Amazon's growth
Goal: extract decision-making frameworks[53:20]
• He wants to see what frameworks they use after making similar decisions many times so he can apply them at his (smaller) scale

Defining reality, predicting outcomes, and behaviorist framing

Importance of prediction and accurate mental models

Life is hard if you can't predict what happens next[53:56]
• He argues that better prediction leads to getting more of what you want
• If you can rebuild after losing everything, it's because your view of reality (framework) is accurate, not because of luck

Most people use undefined words and regurgitated ideas

People often can't define what they say they want[55:46]
• He gives examples like "I want to feel great about myself" where, upon asking for definition, people can't specify what that means
• He believes most people repeat phrases they haven't thought deeply about and say words they don't understand

Behaviorist approach: remove sentiment and focus on observables

Defining concepts like trust using observable behavior[55:23]
• He suggests imagining an alien asking "what is trust" and insisting on definitions in observable, behavioral terms
• He extends this to relationships: instead of "love me better," define it as specific actions like hugging when entering the house
Content and legal documents start with definitions for precision[56:38]
• Alex notes his books and legal documents begin by defining terms to achieve precise communication

Selling, copywriting, and persuasion via specificity and pain

Redefining selling in concrete terms

Critique of vague motivational definitions of sales[57:04]
• He mocks phrases like "transference of belief over a bridge of trust" as sounding cool but being operationally meaningless
Alex's simple definition: increasing purchase likelihood[57:56]
• He defines selling as "increasing the likelihood that someone makes a purchasing decision"
• He points out that we can identify variables affecting that percentage and focus on those, instead of abstract "energy" concepts

Motivation from deprivation and the role of pain

He sees motivation as stemming from deprivation[58:22]
• Marketing must increase perceived deprivation around the outcome tied to the desired action
Pain-focused messaging is more powerful than vague promises[59:15]
• He coins "the pain is the pitch" and says persuasion doesn't occur in the vague but in the specific
• Specific examples of weight-loss pains: being the overweight girl taking photos, thighs chafing, always wearing cover-ups, holding breath to zip pants
• He notes that if you can articulate someone's pain more precisely than they can, they almost assume you have the solution

Importance of knowing the customer and often being the avatar

Most great marketers either are or were the avatar[1:03:27]
• He acknowledges a few "goaded" marketers can write for pains they haven't experienced, but most effective ones know the avatar from lived experience

Copy vs design, content quality vs production, and tweet-writing

Host's experiment: Google Doc with strong copy vs polished page

Plain copy outperformed beautiful design dramatically[1:04:39]
• He wrote a sales letter in a Google Doc and linked to an Eventbrite page to collect payments manually
• With $5,000 of Facebook ads, the rough setup generated about $50,000 while the designed page generated almost nothing
• He used this to convince his team that copy matters more than design, though ideal is strong copy plus good visuals

Alex's test: iPhone video vs heavy post-production

Simple, low-production content still performed extremely well[1:05:15]
• He recorded a video on an iPhone with shaky footage and bad audio about a concept he knew would resonate
• That video received around 1.7-2 million views, despite minimal editing, reinforcing that the message matters more than polish
• He implies teams often misallocate effort into post-production rather than improving content substance

Tweet-writing and rhetorical devices

Alex writes tweets as single sentences or short thoughts[1:06:43]
• He says his process for tweets is exactly writing one-liners and he does not use AI tools for them
Using audience-quoted lines as pre-tested tweets[1:09:10]
• He sometimes sees followers quote a line from his livestream, then he retweets it as his own tweet because it clearly resonated
Rhetorical patterns: contrast, threes, repetition, alliteration[1:10:08]
• He likes using opposites (good/bad, high/low), sets of three, and rhythmic repetition to make ideas memorable
• He sees this as turning a blunt idea like "do hard stuff" into a more memorable and repeatable phrase

Motivation, deprivation, happiness, and managing FOMO

Changing deprivations across life stages

Early life pain: being broke[1:11:24]
• He describes being broke as the glaring hot pain in his early life, limiting lifestyle and impact
• Once financial pain is solved, other deprivations become salient and new goals emerge

Subjective happiness relatively stable despite changes

Alex says he's about as happy now as two and four years ago[1:11:47]
• He notes his subjective well-being hasn't materially improved despite business and financial growth
Fast-forwarding the present to reduce regret and FOMO[1:12:07]
• He projects that he would likely feel similarly happy or unhappy across different life paths, which reduces fear of missing particular opportunities
• This mindset lessens rumination over "paths not taken" like deals, relationships, or bets not pursued

Host's current flourishing and Aristotle's virtue framework

Host feels he's never been happier[1:12:37]
• He likes his job, family, fitness, home, in-laws nearby, and team
Aristotle on flourishing, virtue, money, and leisure[1:13:26]
• Host cites Aristotle's idea that flourishing requires living virtues at the mean between extremes (e.g., courage between recklessness and cowardice)
• Aristotle also emphasized needing some money to own beautiful things and having enough leisure time for hobbies
• Host interprets Alex's search for future non-business pursuits as a search for leisure and hobbies, with business having been his main hobby so far

Lessons Learned

Actionable insights and wisdom you can apply to your business, career, and personal life.

1

Hire for the smallest skill deficit and prioritize general intelligence (rate of learning), because smart people can close gaps quickly and generate outsized returns on the capital you invest in them.

Reflection Questions:

  • • Where in your current team have you hired for experience instead of learning speed, and how has that affected performance over time?
  • • How could you redesign your interview process to better test a candidate's ability to learn quickly rather than just their past resume bullet points?
  • • What is one key role you're filling now where you could consciously choose a high-upside, fast learner with a small skill gap instead of a fully "plug-and-play" hire?
2

Use explicit, behavior-based frameworks to diagnose performance problems-clarifying what, how, when, and blockers-before jumping to assumptions about motivation or character.

Reflection Questions:

  • • What recurring performance issue in your team could you re-examine this week using a simple checklist of clarity, skills, timing, and blockers?
  • • How might your conversations with underperformers change if you treated each one as a joint problem-solving exercise instead of a judgment on their attitude?
  • • Which one meeting this week could you prepare for by writing down specific observable behaviors you want to see, rather than vague traits like "ownership" or "hustle"?
3

As your business grows, your main job shifts from doing the work to collecting and assembling the right people, so you must develop pattern recognition for talent and treat top performers as thought partners, not just employees.

Reflection Questions:

  • • At your current stage, what percentage of your time is spent doing versus recruiting, developing, or evaluating people, and is that ratio appropriate?
  • • How could you test whether your senior leaders are true thought partners you proactively seek out, or merely executors you constantly direct?
  • • Who from your past teams would you immediately call to join your next venture, and what does that list (or lack of it) say about your leadership so far?
4

Firing decisions should be made at the level of the whole system: delaying a necessary firing for short-term comfort often creates a larger, long-term cost for the organization and everyone who depends on it.

Reflection Questions:

  • • Which person on your team do you consistently avoid making a hard decision about, and what is that avoidance costing others in terms of morale or results?
  • • How would your firing decisions change if you framed them explicitly as a choice between short-term personal discomfort and long-term organizational health?
  • • What criteria could you adopt (e.g., yellow-orange-red levels) to make your next borderline firing decision more objective and less emotionally fraught?
5

Define key concepts and goals in concrete, observable terms-both in your own life and in your communication-so you can align actions with outcomes and avoid building on vague, feel-good abstractions.

Reflection Questions:

  • • What important goal in your life or business is currently defined in fuzzy language (e.g., "be more confident," "improve culture") that you could rewrite in observable terms?
  • • How might your next conversation about expectations with a colleague or partner be clearer if you specified exact behaviors instead of general feelings?
  • • Where could you add a short "definitions" section (like a legal document) to a recurring plan or document so everyone shares the same understanding?
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In persuasion and marketing, specificity about a prospect's pain and day-to-day reality is far more powerful than generic promises or clever slogans; the more precisely you describe their world, the more they trust you can help.

Reflection Questions:

  • • If you rewrote your main sales page or pitch today, what three hyper-specific pain scenarios could you add that would make your ideal customer say, "That's me"?
  • • How could you gather more detailed stories or language from your customers this month to use as raw material for more resonant copy?
  • • Which current piece of marketing could you A/B test by replacing broad benefits with concrete, sensory details about the before-and-after experience?
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Recognize that progress often comes from consistent, modest percentage gains over a long horizon (macro patience) while still pushing hard on day-to-day execution (micro speed) by relentlessly questioning timelines and constraints.

Reflection Questions:

  • • Where are you expecting overnight "Everest" results while only putting in "foothill" levels of consistent growth and time?
  • • What is one major initiative where you could both accept a multi-year horizon and still ask this week, "What would it take to do this in half the time?"
  • • In your next team check-in, how can you challenge assumed deadlines (without burning people out) to uncover hidden slack or misprioritized work?
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As your external circumstances improve, your subjective happiness may change less than you expect, so you should consciously choose trade-offs and future priorities (your "pie chart") rather than chasing every opportunity out of fear of missing out.

Reflection Questions:

  • • Looking at your current "life pie chart" (work, health, relationships, etc.), what slice is clearly over- or under-weighted relative to what you say matters most?
  • • How might your decision about a big opportunity in front of you change if you assume you'll feel roughly as happy in five years either way?
  • • What small experiment could you run in the next three months (e.g., reducing work hours, adding a non-work project) to test a different future allocation without fully committing yet?

Episode Summary - Notes by Drew

How Alex Hormozi Gets Other People To Build His $100M+ Empire
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