with Stephen J. Dubner
In this feed-drop conversation from Design Matters, Stephen J. Dubner talks with Debbie Millman about his life, from a turbulent religious upbringing and early encouragement from a beloved teacher to his time in a rock band and eventual career as a writer and podcaster. They explore how inhabiting two faith traditions shaped his views on identity and belief, the power of curiosity, the making and impact of Freakonomics, his struggles with hero worship and anonymity, and his evolving thinking on creativity, confidence, and the human side of economics.
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Actionable insights and wisdom you can apply to your business, career, and personal life.
Protect and cultivate your curiosity into adulthood, because asking genuine questions is a powerful way to understand how people and systems really work.
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Small acts of encouragement-like a teacher recognizing your work-can permanently alter someone's trajectory, so invest in giving specific, sincere validation when it's earned.
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Creative progress comes from developing your own voice and "swinging your swing," not from imitating the style or success of others.
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Your brain is a trainable muscle: after mistakes or setbacks, you can consciously choose how long to dwell and where to redirect your attention next.
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Courage usually precedes confidence: you often have to act without guarantees-sharing new ideas, telling honest stories, or correcting errors-before you feel secure in doing so.
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Rigorous thinking benefits from both data and empathy: whether in journalism or economics, you need solid evidence and an awareness that every data point represents a real person.
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Episode Summary - Notes by Parker