649. Should Ohio State (and Michigan, and Clemson) Join the N.F.L.?
Stephen Dubner explores whether U.S. pro leagues like the NFL and NBA should move from closed, monopolistic structures toward a European-style promotion and relegation system that could incorporate top college programs. Guests discuss the historical split between amateur and professional sports in the U.S. and Europe, the economic incentives in closed vs. open leagues, and what a merger between NCAA football/basketball and the major pro leagues might look like. While many theoretical benefits for fans, athletes, and communities are identified, the guests argue that entrenched financial interests make such a shift highly unlikely in practice.
648. The Merger You Never Knew You Wanted
Host Stephen Dubner explores an ostensibly "absurd" idea: merging the NFL with NCAA football (and possibly the NBA with NCAA basketball) and introducing promotion and relegation, using it as a lens to examine the economics and governance of big-time American sports. The episode details how college sports historically exploited unpaid athletes, the legal and economic changes brought by NIL and antitrust litigation, and how this evolution makes top-tier college sports increasingly similar to professional leagues. It also examines the NFL's cartel-like power, antitrust exemptions, public stadium subsidies, and why a more open, competitive system might address problems like tanking and entrenched inequality.