I Did Nothing For 2 Weeks. It Made Me Better At Everything.

Published November 12, 2025
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About This Episode

Two co-hosts catch up after one has a new baby and the other returns from his grandfather's funeral, leading into honest reflections on paternity leave, men's emotional experience with newborns, and how much time off is actually useful. They explore Aristotle's concept of flourishing, the value of leisure and dedicated thinking time, and how engineered rest and movement can produce creative breakthroughs, tying into one host's project to write concise "one-hour" books and the discipline required for deep work. The conversation then shifts to Paul Graham's framework for procrastination, the transformative power of a parent or grandparent instilling belief in a child, immigrant family stories, the modern scarcity of belonging versus information abundance, and a fast-growing group travel company that builds community and reduces loneliness.

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Quick Takeaways

  • The co-host describes feeling caring but emotionally neutral toward his newborns for many months, normalizing that not all fathers feel instant deep love at birth.
  • Both argue that a short, well-timed paternity leave spread over key stages is more useful than a long uninterrupted break when the baby is essentially just sleeping.
  • Drawing on Aristotle, they distinguish between chasing happiness and cultivating "flourishing" through virtues, work, family, and meaningful leisure devoted to reflection.
  • Engineered rest-showers, walks, being on water, movement without devices-consistently shows up in the routines of great creators as a catalyst for breakthroughs.
  • One host is building a series of short "one-hour" books based on studying how top creatives and performers actually work, emphasizing irritation as fuel for better formats.
  • Writing a serious book is portrayed as a slow, uncertain, high-effort project best done for oneself rather than for quick success or money.
  • Paul Graham's three types of procrastination highlight that the best kind involves neglecting low-value tasks in favor of one's true life's work, even if it annoys others.
  • The story of the grandfather who constantly told his poor village son he was "special" illustrates how parental belief can radically alter a child's trajectory.
  • They argue that today information is abundant but real tribe and in-person belonging are scarce, creating opportunities for communities, clubs, and experiences that provide it.
  • A European group-travel company for young professionals exemplifies a thriving business built around curing loneliness by organizing small, themed trips with peers.

Podcast Notes

Personal updates: new baby and funeral

New baby and timing of birth

Co-host's wife goes into labor earlier than expected[0:42]
He says they were due around the 12th or 13th, but at 10 p.m. one night his wife calmly told him her water had broken and added she didn't want to freak him out
He emphasizes how considerate it was that she tried not to alarm him even in that intense moment, calling it the most "her" thing she could do
Birth via C-section and his limited role[1:15]
Because she needed a C-section, he was initially out of the room and later came in once the procedure was underway
He notes that the medication made her shake, so his main job was rubbing her face and calming her down
He describes his wife as very stoic, saying he got lucky because she handled it well emotionally

Awkwardness around comforting and big life moments

Struggle with knowing how to be comforting[1:42]
He admits that in situations where he's supposed to be comforting, he often realizes he has no practice and doesn't know how much physical affection or what kind of gesture is appropriate
Proposing felt physically awkward[2:03]
He jokes that when he proposed, going down on one knee and giving a speech upward felt like an unpracticed lunge and that a simple pat on the back almost felt more natural to him

Reflections on childbirth, gender roles, and paternity leave

Women as "superheroes" in labor and early parenting

Comparison between male and female tolerance of discomfort[3:02]
He jokes about a stereotype where women endure hours of labor to experience the pain a man feels when he has a cold
He observes from having two children that women seem able to fight through tiredness and pain in a way he does not, noting he complains if he gets less than seven hours of sleep

How much paternity leave feels useful

Two weeks felt more than enough initial time off[4:07]
He says that after about four days he was already "chomping at the bit" to get back to work and wanted a Zoom call because a newborn mostly just sleeps
The real joy for him was spending more time with his two-year-old, taking her to classes and reassuring her she was still important amid the new baby
Alternative model for structuring paternity leave[4:21]
The other co-host divides men into two groups: those who immediately feel profound love for their newborn and those, like him, who don't feel that way until much later
He says he cared for his babies and wished them well but didn't actually "feel anything" emotionally for about 15 months, after which he became totally devoted
He suggests taking a week off before birth to help around the house and be a calming presence, then another week right after birth when logistics are uncertain
He recommends saving additional time for when the baby is three or four months old when sleep regressions or other issues often hit, instead of using it all at the newborn stage when fathers feel underutilized

Leisure, mini-retirements, and reading philosophy

Staying home versus travel as meaningful time off

Staying home felt like a "mini-retirement"[7:03]
He found that taking time off without traveling-just staying home, walking around town, and not rushing-felt special and more restorative than a typical vacation
He describes puttering in the morning, not feeling rushed, and enjoying simple routines like reading

Reading habits and motivation

Reading to study winners and their mistakes[7:18]
He says he reads almost a book a week and approaches reading strategically: he wants to see what worked for people he admires and also understand their common flaws to avoid them

Aristotle, flourishing, and the role of leisure and reflection

Aristotle's idea of flourishing and virtue as a mean

Concept of flourishing versus happiness[8:49]
He explains that Aristotle emphasized "flourishing" (he references the Greek term sounding like "eudaimonia") instead of just happiness, as a richer goal for life
Virtues defined between two extremes[8:54]
Using courage as an example, he says recklessness is one extreme and timidity is the other, with true courage lying in the middle
For charity, he describes one extreme as ostentatious giving that actually harms (like rich rappers enabling their entourage), and the other extreme as being stingy or "a pussy"; virtue sits in between

Leisure as a core component of a flourishing life

Leisure for reflection, not just recovery[9:54]
He highlights Aristotle's view that leisure isn't merely to recover from work but is itself necessary for a good life because it creates space for reflection
He connects this to modern examples like Bill Gates taking a week per year purely to think, and to his own delight in unscheduled time at home

Personal sense of flourishing through work, family, and stress as growth

Feeling of "I'm flourishing"[10:04]
He recalls waking up excited both to work out and to see his family after work and realizes the feeling is best described as flourishing rather than simply being happy
He reframes stress as something that currently equals growth rather than pain for him, describing his recent period as wonderful

Think time, engineered breakthroughs, and routines of great creators

Importance of explicit think time versus accidental shower thoughts

Realization of lacking deliberate thinking time[11:24]
One co-host notes that although he has plenty of leisure-piano, tennis, basketball, workouts, time with kids-he rarely spends time in silence or planned deep thought
He estimates that over the past decade he essentially had zero consciously scheduled think days, relying only on incidental thinking while driving or showering
Engineering breakthroughs via environments and habits[14:15]
They argue that you can "engineer" breakthroughs by designing routines like slow mornings, journaling, reading, working out, and unstructured conversations with interesting people
He describes inviting someone into his office without an agenda just to riff and hear their story, which has led to breakthrough ideas like his Milk Road newsletter after a conference trip

Examples of engineered rest from famous creatives and scientists

Aaron Sorkin's multiple daily showers[16:14]
Aaron Sorkin reportedly takes up to eight showers a day while writing, because he gets his best ideas in the shower and uses it to quickly break through creative plateaus
They reference research suggesting warm water, relaxation, and lack of distractions make showers a powerful environment for out-of-the-box thinking
Einstein's motorless boat thinking sessions[16:58]
Einstein would take a small boat with no motor out to sea and just float for hours, claiming he did his best thinking there despite Coast Guard concerns about his safety
When warned he might drift too far, Einstein's attitude was essentially that "the further the better" for deep thought
Thinking in motion or in water: neuroscience and examples[17:36]
A neuroscientist told one co-host's wife that people do their best thinking in motion or in water, explaining why walking and swimming are so conducive to ideas
They mention Pavel Durov swimming for four hours to think, because you can't be on your phone in the middle of a lake, and Charles Darwin taking repeated walks while mulling problems
Darwin's "stone" system for measuring problem difficulty[18:29]
Darwin walked laps and used small stones at his starting point to track how many circuits it took before making headway on a problem, calling them four-stone or five-stone problems
Engineered rest looks unproductive but is part of productivity[18:37]
They note that naps, walks, swims, or just spacing out can look like laziness, but historically many great inventors and artists used such practices deliberately as part of their work

One-hour books concept and studying how great creators work

Choosing to write about creativity and work habits of greats

Researching Seinfeld and others to learn how the greats work[19:03]
He began by studying comedy to be funnier, became fascinated by Jerry Seinfeld, and then broadened his research to how great people in many fields structure their work and habits
He emphasizes that in research, the surprises-like the importance of engineered rest-are what matter most and often change his own routines

Frustration with traditional long books and the publishing model

Books often padded to meet page-count expectations[20:12]
He explains that publishers push for 250-300 page books so buyers feel they are getting value, even when the core idea might only need a fraction of that length
He compares many books to meetings that "could have been an email," containing a few great ideas padded with 200 pages of fluff

Designing the "one-hour books" format

Concept of a book readable in a single sitting[21:53]
He is creating a series of "one hour books" where each book can be read in about one hour, delivering all the key ideas in that time
Each volume focuses on a topic he became obsessed with, such as value investing or creativity, distilling the best and most surprising ideas he has actually implemented
Using irritation as a creative compass[21:10]
He cites Jerry Seinfeld's notion that irritation breeds innovation; Seinfeld disliked formulaic late-night shows and created "Comedians in Cars Getting Coffee" as the opposite format
Similarly, his irritation with long padded books pushed him to design short, dense, high-impact books as an alternative

Personal goals for the creativity book and "TED for today" analogy

Aiming for a top-shelf, life-changing book[23:32]
He wants the book to be something that would sit on his own top shelf of favorites because it resonates, has great stories, and even makes the reader laugh
Borrowing inspiration from TED's "ideas worth sharing"[25:06]
He recalls that TED talks once felt incredibly special-short, powerful talks by top people-and he wants his books to be a modern analog: a consistent format housing "ideas worth sharing"
He frames the value proposition as spending around 10,000 hours researching so the reader only spends one hour to get the best distilled insights

Hardships and tradeoffs of writing a serious book

Why writing a book is difficult and risky

Long timelines and low odds of big external payoff[26:16]
He notes books often take one to two years-and sometimes far longer like George R.R. Martin-to complete, making them poor choices for quick wins or guaranteed success
Even when successful, he says books usually don't compare financially to building companies or running a popular podcast, so the motivation must be internal
Difference between wanting to have written and wanting to write[26:47]
People who have written bestsellers tell him that many aspiring authors want the status of having written a book, but few truly want to go through the process of writing one
He chose a subject-creativity and working as a creator-that he is currently fascinated by and can apply to himself as a lab rat, even if it's not his most marketable expertise

Consistency and pressure of a one-shot creative project

Book writing as a challenge to his usual improv style[27:08]
He contrasts his usual improvisational, unscheduled work style with the demands of writing a book, which requires daily consistency and "don't miss a day" discipline
He notes similar discipline is needed for his other current pursuits like getting in shape and learning piano, suggesting he's training the same internal muscles
Psychological weight of crafting one definitive version[28:07]
Unlike making many small pieces of content, he feels internal pressure because this book is a single artifact he will likely only write once on this topic
He describes a craftsman mentality: since you don't get 100 shots on goal with the same idea, you want to make this one as great as you possibly can

Awe at large, dense works by biographers and novelists

Respect for Ron Chernow and Robert Greene[28:47]
He admires biographers like Ron Chernow and authors like Robert Greene, whose long books pack purpose into nearly every sentence, even if they aren't easy reads
He compares encountering such massive, well-crafted works to seeing Yosemite's Half Dome for the first time-a kind of religious experience due to the sheer effort behind them
Wonder at J.K. Rowling inventing an entire world[29:32]
He says he doesn't even like Harry Potter but is in awe that one person invented an entire world and even a language, again linking major inspiration to idle time on a train

Deep work, distraction, and the five-mile run to the door

Shonda Rhimes' "five miles" metaphor for creative work

Description of the five-mile run past distractions[30:58]
He quotes Shonda Rhimes' metaphor: writing is like running five miles past temptations such as cupcakes, TV episodes, and books before reaching a metaphorical door where the good ideas are
She describes surfing the internet or doodling along the way, hoping not to get so distracted that she gives up before reaching that door
Becoming fitter by running the miles regularly[31:37]
Rhimes frames repeated efforts as fitness: the more often you run those five miles, the fitter you become, making it easier and faster to get to the door over time
The co-host says this quote gives him goosebumps and shapes his own routine of spending two hours every morning on difficult creative work he calls "eating shit for breakfast"

Difference between pros and amateurs in deep work

Pros also start with bad work; they just keep going[33:14]
He rejects the idea that pros simply have better initial talent; instead, they also create bad first drafts but keep pushing past the early mediocre output
Amateurs, by contrast, tend to stop early: they get discouraged by their initial bad work or find a distraction or rationalization to quit before reaching the "door" of good ideas

Paul Graham's three types of procrastination and "life's work"

Overview of the three types of procrastination

Type 1: Simply not doing the important task[33:40]
In Paul Graham's framework, the first type is the straightforward case where you just avoid doing what you know you should be doing
Type 2: Pseudo-work with professional-sounding labels[33:40]
The second type, common among ambitious people, involves busywork like over-researching or endlessly writing to-do lists that sound professional but are actually procrastination
Type 3: The "good" procrastination focused on life's work[34:00]
The third type is "good" procrastination: neglecting less important tasks, even socially expected ones, to focus on your true life's work
Graham uses the stereotype of the distracted scientist or entrepreneurs like young Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg, who ignored clothing norms and appearance because they prioritized their work

Personal application and domestic friction

Using the concept to justify ignoring trivial tasks[35:35]
One co-host jokes that after reading Graham's essay, he tried to use it to defend himself to his wife when she complained he was on Twitter instead of taking out the trash
He says he even printed the article and slid it across the dinner table to her, framing his behavior as focusing on his life's work rather than household chores

Grandfather's funeral, immigrant journey, and instilling belief

Indian funeral customs and cremation ritual

Pouring milk and food on the body[37:12]
He describes a funeral ritual where a gallon of milk and food are poured over the body before cremation, which felt strange and almost blasphemous to him

Grandfather's impact: brainwashing his son to believe he was special

From dirt-poor Indian village to San Francisco mansion[37:54]
His father grew up extremely poor in a tiny Indian town, where seeing a movie and sharing one Coca-Cola among four kids at age 16 was a standout childhood memory
Decades later, that same person lives in a San Francisco mansion with an iPhone, which he frames as a nearly unimaginable journey from the original context
Grandfather constantly telling his son he was special[38:56]
His grandfather couldn't provide money or fancy schools but gave his son a powerful belief by continually telling him he was special and destined for great things
At his factory job, when his boss suggested the boy might work there someday, the grandfather publicly insisted his son was too special for factory work and would go to America
Over time, his father absorbed that confidence despite having no evidence, treating it like a "magic bean" of self-belief that guided his decisions

Modern example: "Raising Ronaldo" in youth soccer

Brother-in-law's intense belief in his daughter's potential[40:26]
His brother-in-law made an Instagram account called "Raising Ronaldo" and continually speaks as if his daughter is the next global soccer star
He posts signs, talks about watching her as a pro, and maintains unwavering conviction even on days the child is tired or has a bad game
Child's effort rises to meet expectations[41:09]
She trains seven days a week, plays mainly against older boys, does drills like 100 juggles before breakfast, and has become fully "brainwashed in a positive direction" by his belief

Marcelo's story of his grandfather sacrificing for soccer

Selling the family car to afford bus fare to practice[42:23]
Marcelo recalls his family in Brazil being so poor they couldn't afford gasoline; his grandfather sold his car cheaply just to pay for daily bus rides to soccer practice
They would ride crowded buses in Rio while his grandfather repeatedly told him he was the best and would one day play for Brazil, even calling him "Marcelino" with affection
Grandfather proudly broke and happy[42:26]
Marcelo's grandfather joked to friends that he was broke and had no money, turning his pockets inside out, but said he was the happiest man in the world because he believed in his grandson
Village shopkeeper giving him a ball on credit of future success[43:22]
As a child Marcelo asked a shopkeeper for a ball without any money, promising to pay when he became a pro; the man laughed, gave him the ball, and jokingly told him to remember to pay later
After becoming a professional, he returned and bought balls for all the children so no kid in the village would lack a ball again

Belief as the best inheritance a parent can give

Children rising to match strong expectations[44:17]
They argue that kids often don't have strong self-conceptions yet, so a parent's or grandparent's strong positive assumption about them can become the frame they live up to
The co-host sees his own children and notices how easy it is to criticize, but stories like these remind him that unconditional belief is more powerful than constant correction

Family immigration story, work ethic, and "build what outlives you"

Path from Indian village to elite education and America

Getting into IIT by following a friend to the exam[45:18]
His father didn't initially know what IIT was; he hopped on a friend's scooter to take the entrance exam after hearing it was a path to America, aligning with his grandfather's prophecy
He scored around 39th in all of India, got into IIT, and later received a scholarship to study at the University of Colorado at Boulder
Arriving in America with six dollars and no housing[46:23]
Because of currency restrictions and poverty, his father arrived in the U.S. with around six dollars, expecting housing and tuition to be arranged by the school
He landed in winter when the admissions office was closed, ended up outside in the cold with nowhere to go, and was rescued by a French student who invited him to stay
Bringing the rest of the family over and early hustles[47:10]
Over the following years, his father sponsored his own father and brother to come to America, effectively changing the trajectory of the family "tribe"
His grandfather later ran small hustles like vending machines and a snack shop in an office building, where the co-host and siblings would help collect quarters or man the cashier

Grandfather's lifelong learning mindset

Learning to type and working retail in old age[48:01]
In his 70s or 80s, his grandfather sat at the family desktop computer practicing typing, determined to learn a new skill despite his age
He worked in the DVD section of Circuit City despite knowing little about American movies or music, joking that the company couldn't fire him because of age discrimination concerns
Refusal to accept "too old" as an excuse[49:03]
Even after breaking his femur late in life, he did arm exercises in the hospital because he believed he would recover and wanted to keep his body active

"Build what outlives you" as a legacy lens

Legacy as transmitted attitude, not just buildings[50:03]
One co-host has been exploring the phrase "build what outlives you" as a slogan, seeing his friend's grandfather as the best example because he passed on a resilient, positive attitude
He argues the most admirable legacy is not a name on a building but living in a way that causes descendants to treat others well and carry forward a constructive worldview

Lack of family history and craving for belonging

Growing up without extended family or traditions[50:29]
The other co-host notes that all his grandparents died by the time he was three and his family had been in the Midwest for generations, leaving him with little sense of lineage or tradition
He envied Jewish friends with weekly rituals like Friday night dinners and later admired the sense of tribe and identity enjoyed by Stanford alumni

Scarcity of belonging vs. abundance of information

Historical success of "little blue books" as cheap information

Format and titles of little blue books[53:55]
He describes small, stapled pamphlet-like books called "little blue books" that were only a few inches tall and sold for about a nickel
Titles included quirky and practical topics like "The Gentle Art of Making Enemies," "Proverbs of Turkey," mental math guides, and "How to Dress on a Small Salary"
Massive scale without exceptional content[54:52]
Estimates suggest 200-500 million copies were sold, a phenomenon comparable to the reach of Harry Potter, despite the actual content being mediocre by his assessment
Their success came from solving an access problem: before public libraries, books were rare and expensive, so cheap, portable, ubiquitous pamphlets were hugely valuable

Shift from scarce information to scarce belonging

Information is now like running water[56:35]
He argues that today information is abundant and instantly accessible via Google, YouTube, and algorithmic feeds that even push content you didn't request
Belonging, tribe, and ritual are the new scarce resources[56:54]
In contrast to information, he believes real tribes-structured communities with rituals, in-person gatherings, and clear leadership-are scarce and deeply craved
He sees organized religion, CrossFit, SoulCycle, run clubs, and book clubs as modern vehicles that satisfy this need for belonging and ritual

Case study: group travel to cure loneliness and create community

WeRoad: travel experiences for 20-40 year old professionals

Product: themed group trips for strangers[57:21]
He describes an Italian-founded company that organizes trips where 7-15 young professionals book the same itinerary and travel together with a tour guide
Trips are categorized (e.g., adventure, nature, historical), target mostly women (around 80%), and include elements like 13-day Patagonia treks with lodging and some meals
Business scale and margins[58:48]
Within roughly five or six years, the company scaled to about $100 million in annual revenue, with gross margins around 30% after paying hotels and guides
He estimates that on $160 million in revenue they would keep about $50 million in gross profit, underscoring how substantial the business has become

Why the model works: loneliness and frictionless travel

Solving loneliness for solo travelers[1:00:44]
The founder framed their mission as curing loneliness: many young people want to travel alone but not be alone, and these trips let them meet peers and often form lasting friendships or relationships
Parallels with senior group tours[59:39]
One co-host notes his mother, now a senior, likewise uses group tours because they remove planning friction, provide safety, and offer a ready-made social circle for travel

Untapped opportunity for creators to build similar brands

Imagining a travel YouTuber launching a parallel service[1:02:05]
He suggests a popular travel YouTuber could partner with experienced operators to create a similar group travel company using their brand and audience as the growth engine
He notes that existing operators often lack strong consumer brands, leaving room for personality-driven ventures that combine content and experiences

Immigrant admiration and craving an "us" identity

Host's strong affection for immigrants and immigrant energy

Loving "Korean store owner" and similar hustler energy[1:04:59]
He reiterates that he has a soft spot for immigrants and jokes that he "loves immigrants" so much it is almost racist, associating them with relentless corner-store owner energy
In New York he likes visiting small shops run by Vietnamese, Indian, or Arabic families and asking about their stories, seeing patterns like Indian ownership of motels and Dunkin' Donuts

Desire to be part of the "us" rather than the "them"

Us-versus-them mentality as a source of drive[1:05:42]
He says immigrants often have an "us vs. them" mentality that he finds compelling and has always wanted to be part of the "us" side
He jokes that as a non-immigrant American, he realizes he is actually part of the "them"-the default or opposition-likening himself to the villain team from "The Mighty Ducks"

Lessons Learned

Actionable insights and wisdom you can apply to your business, career, and personal life.

1

Deliberate leisure and dedicated thinking time are not indulgences but essential components of a flourishing life, creating the reflection space where your best ideas and most important decisions emerge.

Reflection Questions:

  • Where in my current week could I carve out 30-60 minutes of true silence or undistracted walking solely for thinking?
  • How might my approach to a current major decision change if I gave myself a weekly 'think block' with no phone or inputs?
  • What specific recurring time slot can I protect over the next month as non-negotiable reflection time, and how will I keep it free of distractions?
2

Engineered rest-showers, walks, movement, or time on the water-can be intentionally used as a creative tool, helping you move past plateaus rather than as a guilty escape from work.

Reflection Questions:

  • What activity (showering, walking, swimming, driving) consistently gives me better ideas, and how can I deliberately schedule more of it around hard problems?
  • Instead of staring at a screen when I'm stuck, how could I build a automatic habit of stepping away into motion or warm water for 20 minutes?
  • Which important problem in my life or business could I dedicate a daily 'thinking walk' or 'thinking shower' to for the next two weeks?
3

Great work rarely appears on the first try; the difference between amateurs and pros is the willingness to tolerate early mediocrity, push through distractions, and keep going until you reach the metaphorical 'door' where the good ideas live.

Reflection Questions:

  • On which important project did I stop at the first sign of bad output or discomfort instead of pushing through a few more 'miles'?
  • How might my results change if I committed to a fixed, distraction-free block (e.g., two hours each morning) for my main project regardless of how it feels?
  • What concrete rule could I adopt this week to prevent myself from quitting early, such as 'no checking my phone until I've written 500 words'?
4

The most powerful gift a parent, mentor, or leader can give is a sturdy belief in someone's potential, expressed consistently enough that they begin to act in line with that expectation.

Reflection Questions:

  • Who in my life could benefit from me explicitly and repeatedly communicating that I see them as capable of something great?
  • How would I show up differently as a parent, manager, or friend if I focused less on criticism and more on reinforcing a clear, positive identity for the other person?
  • What specific phrase or story could I start repeating to a child, teammate, or mentee to "brainwash" them in a positive direction over the next year?
5

In an era where information is abundant, building or joining real communities with shared rituals and in-person interaction is a high-leverage way to meet deep human needs and create enduring value.

Reflection Questions:

  • Which existing group in my life (work, hobbies, neighborhood) could be strengthened by adding simple recurring rituals or shared experiences?
  • How might my sense of meaning and support change if I invested in one tribe-running club, book club, mastermind, faith group-instead of dabbling in many?
  • What is one concrete step I can take this month to either create or join a community that aligns with my values and gives me regular face-to-face contact?

Episode Summary - Notes by Finley

I Did Nothing For 2 Weeks. It Made Me Better At Everything.
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