with Arthur Brooks
Stephen Dubner interviews Arthur Brooks about his argument that American politics has fallen into an addictive cycle of contempt, driven by media incentives, populism, and habits of communication, and that the most effective antidote is deliberately practiced love and warmheartedness. Brooks, drawing on economics, neuroscience, psychology, and his own varied career, explains how contempt differs from anger, how financial crises fuel polarization, and why media and political structures amplify division. He offers concrete techniques for individuals and leaders to reduce contempt, cultivate love as a verb, and reorient politics toward a competition over opportunity rather than mutual hatred.
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Actionable insights and wisdom you can apply to your business, career, and personal life.
Contempt is a learned, habitual response that mixes anger with disgust, and breaking it requires conscious practice of alternative habits such as warmheartedness, gratitude, and deliberately positive communication.
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Your media diet strongly shapes your perceptions and emotions; overconsumption of partisan news and social media can function like an addiction, delivering dopamine hits while eroding happiness and amplifying contempt.
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Love, understood as willing the good of the other rather than as a fleeting feeling, can be strengthened by action first; behaving lovingly in the face of contempt can gradually reshape both your mindset and your relationships.
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Clarifying what you are willing to fail for-what principle or purpose you would accept losing status, elections, or opportunities over-can free you to act with greater courage and integrity.
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Big systemic problems often begin to change with small groups of individuals altering their behavior; waiting for institutions to fix contempt without personal change is unlikely to work.
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Episode Summary - Notes by Blake