#623 - Gary Sinise

with Gary Sinise

Published November 11, 2025
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About This Episode

Actor and musician Gary Sinise discusses his decades-long mission to support military service members, veterans, first responders, and their families through visits, performances, and the Gary Sinise Foundation. He explains how his experiences with Vietnam veterans, his role as Lieutenant Dan, and the post-9/11 wars led him into deep service work, including hospital visits, base tours, mental wellness initiatives, and programs for families of the fallen. Sinise also shares the story of his son Mac's rare cancer, profound faith, and musical legacy, and how Mac's compositions now support the foundation's work and help the family process their grief.

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Quick Takeaways

  • Gary Sinise has transformed his fame from roles like Lieutenant Dan into a long-term mission of service to military members, veterans, first responders, and their families.
  • He has performed over 600 shows with the Lieutenant Dan Band, primarily on military bases and at hospitals, as a nonprofit service rather than for profit.
  • Sinise works to keep his support for the troops separate from partisan politics, focusing on preventing service members from being caught in political conflicts about war.
  • His foundation funds mental wellness initiatives, documentaries, and retreats to help veterans transition home and combat isolation and suicide.
  • The Gary Sinise Foundation runs Snowball Express and related programs that bring thousands of children of fallen military and first responders to Disney parks and year-round events.
  • Through the Serving Heroes program, the foundation has provided over a million meals to military bases, VA facilities, firehouses, and police departments to show appreciation.
  • Sinise emphasizes that government support and nonprofits both play crucial roles, and that removing either would create a catastrophe for veterans' care.
  • He urges ordinary citizens to take small, local actions-like thanking service members, supporting families, or picking up a meal-to reduce the sense of neglect many veterans feel.
  • Gary shares the story of his son Mac's six-year battle with chordoma, his unshakable faith, and how he composed and recorded multiple albums whose proceeds now support the foundation.
  • The family uses Mac's music, his writings, and shared memories as a way to process grief while continuing to live fully in a way that honors his legacy.

Podcast Notes

Introduction and Gary Sinise's move to Nashville and background

Moving from Hollywood to Nashville

Gary explains his recent relocation[0:46]
He bought a place in Nashville in 2021, moved his foundation in 2022, and his family moved in 2023 after renovations for his son's needs.
He had lived in Hollywood for 35 years and felt that was enough time there.

Host introduction of Gary Sinise and his roles

Host lists Gary's notable acting work and activism[0:42]
He is introduced as an actor, musician, and activist known for roles such as Lieutenant Dan in "Forrest Gump" and Mac Taylor in "CSI: New York" and for his work helping veterans and first responders.

Lieutenant Dan Band and performances for veterans

Veterans Day performance at the Grand Ole Opry

Upcoming Lieutenant Dan Band concert[1:57]
Gary confirms the Lieutenant Dan Band will perform at the Grand Ole Opry on Veterans Day.
He notes they previously played there in summer 2024 for an event celebrating the 30th anniversary of "Forrest Gump."

Forrest Gump 30th anniversary Opry show

Concept of the themed night[3:18]
The Opry hosted an event called "Opry Celebrates 30 Years of Forrest Gump," where all artists on the bill played songs from the film's soundtrack.
Artists included Gary LeVox from Rascal Flatts and Jamey Johnson, with Jamey also scheduled to appear on the upcoming Tuesday show.

Rehearsal habits and purpose of the band

Frequency and focus of rehearsals[3:39]
Gary has played with this band for over 20 years; they rehearse once or twice a year mainly to learn new songs, sometimes using extended soundchecks to work them in.
Mission-driven nature of the Lieutenant Dan Band[4:19]
The band's primary purpose is to support military, veterans, and first responders by performing on military bases and in military hospitals.
Gary emphasizes he does not play for personal profit; he treats it as a service mission and must cover costs for paying the 12 band members plus himself and production expenses.

Gary's musical background and early life with music

Early introduction to guitar and bass

Childhood musical influences[4:44]
Gary got his first guitar in fourth grade in the 1960s and was heavily influenced by the Beach Boys.
In seventh grade he began playing bass and continued playing through high school and into his early twenties.
Pause in music for acting career and later return[5:03]
He stopped playing for a long period as acting and starting a theater company consumed his time.
In the late 1990s he picked up music again, formed the band, and began touring bases and going overseas, eventually performing over 600 shows for the military.

Touring U.S. military bases and the scale of U.S. presence abroad

Host's experiences on USO-style comedy tours

Unusual base locations[5:58]
The host recalls performing at bases in locations like Arifjan, the Azores, and parts of Spain that people might not expect to have U.S. bases.

Number and variety of U.S. military bases worldwide

Estimated count of bases[6:29]
Gary estimates there are around 750 to 800 U.S. bases worldwide, ranging from large installations like Fort Bragg to very small remote sites.
Goal of visiting bases with the band[6:50]
He initially set an ambitious personal goal to visit every base but later realized the scale; he believes he has visited and played at about 200 bases, roughly 25% of the total.

Origins of Gary's service to veterans and influence of Vietnam

Clarifying the "Lieutenant Dan changed my life" narrative

Pre-existing family connection to Vietnam veterans[8:26]
Gary had Vietnam veterans in his family before the role; he was a senior in high school in 1973 when combat operations ended in Vietnam and remembers people coming home.
After meeting his wife, he met her two brothers who served in Vietnam and her sister's husband who also served, which increased his awareness and compassion.

Impact of the Lieutenant Dan role and Disabled American Veterans event

Invitation from Disabled American Veterans (DAV)[9:26]
About five or six weeks after "Forrest Gump" released in 1994, he was invited to the DAV national convention to receive an award for portraying a wounded veteran.
DAV at that time represented about 1.5 million wounded veterans from World War II through the Gulf War.
Emotional impact of seeing wounded veterans[10:30]
When he walked on stage to receive the National Commander's Award, he saw 2,000 wounded veterans in the audience, which moved him deeply.
He describes feeling the emotional impact even as he remembers it during the conversation, noting how that moment started his long-term support for wounded veterans.

USO tours, war-zone visits, and relationships with other entertainers

First USO tour to the Middle East after 9/11

Project Salute tour details[11:26]
Gary began USO tours in 2003, visiting Qatar, Iraq, and Kuwait on a tour called Project Salute.
The tour included Kid Rock, Lee Ann Womack, Robert De Niro, comedian Paul Rodriguez, and many other entertainers.
Experiences at Camp Udari on Iraq-Kuwait border[11:36]
He recalls going to Camp Udari on the Iraq-Kuwait border, seeing thousands of troops, and being struck by the scale and gravity of their deployment.
At those events, he mainly greeted troops as "Lieutenant Dan," shaking hands and taking pictures while artists like Kid Rock performed.

Relationship with Kid Rock and his support for the military

Bond formed on the 2003 tour[12:23]
Gary and Kid Rock (Bob) have known each other since that tour; Gary describes Kid Rock as having a big heart and being strongly supportive of the military.

From acting career to larger role in service and separating politics from support

Acting roles versus service mission

Host's reflection on Gary's iconic roles[13:16]
The host cites films like "The Green Mile" and "Of Mice and Men" as examples of Gary's impactful work and suggests his service work feels like an even bigger role.

Family military history and Vietnam veterans' treatment

Military service across Gary's and his wife's families[13:22]
Gary has World War I, World War II, and Korea-era veterans on his side of the family, including his grandfather, two uncles, and his father who served in the Navy during Korea.
His wife's side includes multiple Vietnam veterans, whose poor treatment upon returning home gave him strong compassion for that generation.

Post-9/11 motivation and emerging political divides

Turning point after September 11 attacks[14:06]
Gary calls September 11 a turning point for him toward greater service as young Americans began joining the military and deploying to Afghanistan and Iraq.
Concern about troops caught in political conflicts[14:43]
As debate over the Iraq war grew, he did not want service members to feel the kind of public hostility Vietnam veterans experienced.
He chose to focus on what he could do as an entertainer: visit, shake hands, and show appreciation regardless of political disputes.

Staying out of partisan politics while supporting service members

Framing his mission as nonpolitical[15:34]
Gary states that his concern is not about political arguments over war but about ensuring troops do not feel negativity from the country for doing their duty.
He emphasizes that service members volunteer and must follow orders, including deploying to war zones, so they deserve support independent of policy debates.

Experiences in hospitals and confronting the cost of war

Host's story of a base hospital blood drive

Witnessing emergency care and donating blood[18:45]
The host describes being on a base when a casualty event led to a hallway of people lined up to donate blood, and he was asked to walk through to lift spirits.
He later learned the injured service member did not survive, which made the experience especially haunting and emotional.

Awareness that any meeting could be a soldier's last

Photographs with troops before dangerous missions[20:01]
Gary notes that when he takes photos with hundreds or thousands of soldiers in war zones, he is acutely aware some may go on missions shortly afterward and not return.
He has met mothers who later showed him photos of their sons with him taken the day before they were killed, underscoring the significance of brief encounters.

First visit to Landstuhl Regional Medical Center

Apprehension about visiting wounded troops[22:04]
Landstuhl in Germany is the first stop for U.S. service members evacuated from war zones; Gary's first visit there was over 20 years ago.
His previous hospital memories were of his grandmother dying, making him nervous about how he would handle seeing badly wounded service members.
Transformation of the ward atmosphere[23:42]
He entered a room of about 30 injured troops who were quiet and slated to return to the war; when one shouted "Lieutenant Dan," the mood shifted and everyone wanted pictures.
Subsequent visits to individual rooms exposed him to amputees and traumatic brain injuries, but he left feeling he had brought positive energy, not just absorbed sadness.
Realization that it is not about his feelings[24:55]
He realized his initial anxiety was self-focused; the real purpose was to bring light into a dark place and help others endure their hardship.
That experience motivated him to visit more hospitals like Walter Reed and Bethesda, leading to hundreds of trips and thousands of wounded service members and families met.

Challenges of transition home and mental health support for veterans

Reference to Miles Teller and "Thank You for Your Service"

Observation about preparing troops for war but not for coming home[30:07]
The host recalls Miles Teller's comment that the U.S. is good at preparing and deploying troops but not as good at bringing them back and reintegrating them.

Military efforts and foundation initiatives to improve reintegration

Shift in military understanding during Iraq and Afghanistan[31:58]
Gary says the services learned they must fight the war overseas while also addressing the "war at home"-the psychological and family impact when service members return.
Documentary "Brothers at War"[33:14]
He executive produced "Brothers at War," a film by Jake Rademacher about his two brothers serving in Iraq and the strain of deployment and reintegration on family life.
Jake embedded with units in Iraq to film his brothers and their comrades, capturing repeated deployments and homecomings.

Follow-up film "Brothers After War" and workshops

Checking in on veterans years later[33:37]
"Brothers After War" revisits the people from the first film 10 years later, focusing on their transitions out of the service and life as veterans.
Use of films as therapeutic tools[35:25]
Jake conducts workshops on bases where service members watch the film and then answer workbook questions about scenes like a soldier struggling to reconnect with his children.
These sessions help service members express feelings they might otherwise compartmentalize, which can sometimes lead to destructive outbursts.

Mental wellness programs and suicide prevention

Combatting isolation and encouraging storytelling[36:29]
Gary says many veterans come home and isolate, so the foundation wants to teach them that sharing their stories is okay and important.
He cites the need to proactively address the suicide problem among veterans with mental wellness initiatives.
Partnership with Boulder Crest Foundation[3:39]
The Gary Sinise Foundation works with Boulder Crest Foundation, which runs retreats nationwide for veterans; his foundation has sent hundreds of veterans to these programs.

Role of nonprofits versus the VA and political context

Donation from the host and question about private sector role

Host announces a significant donation[37:18]
The host states their show will donate money to the Gary Sinise Foundation and later in the episode says they will double that donation.

Dependence on both VA and nonprofits

Imagining a world without VA or nonprofits[37:58]
Gary argues that without military and first-responder-focused nonprofits, or without the VA system, the country would face a catastrophe in caring for those communities.
He believes the government cannot meet all needs alone given the size and age range of the veteran population, especially aging Vietnam veterans with emerging needs.

Limitations and strengths of VA and nonprofits

Recognizing gaps and collaboration[39:13]
He acknowledges some VA hospitals need upgrades and that both VA and nonprofits have areas where they excel and areas where they fall short.
He stresses the need for ongoing collaboration between government and private organizations to fully serve veterans and first responders.

Government shutdown and its impact on veterans

Concerns about shutdown effects[41:29]
Gary notes that during a government shutdown, some VA staff are furloughed or unpaid, and he worries about service members and veterans falling through the cracks.
Practical slowdown of base decisions[43:06]
As he plans 2026 events, many bases say furloughs prevent them from committing to hosting his band or events until the shutdown issues are resolved.

Message to lawmakers about support for service members

Nonpartisan duty to those who serve[40:19]
Gary emphasizes that both Democrats and Republicans serve in uniform, and all who serve deserve robust, apolitical support.

Citizens' role in supporting veterans and first responders

Everyday gestures and community responsibility

Vision for local community support[45:23]
Gary argues that citizens share responsibility; if every town and neighborhood proactively reached out to local veterans, military families, and first responders, many problems would shrink.
He suggests simple acts like checking on a neighbor whose family member is deployed, leaving a supportive card, or offering help.
Power of small acknowledgments[46:22]
A brief pat on the back and "thank you for serving" in an airport could be profoundly meaningful for someone returning from trauma and loss.

From personal acts to formal programs: Serving Heroes meals

Gary's early habit of picking up checks[59:35]
Before starting the foundation, Gary would anonymously pay the restaurant checks of soldiers when he saw them dining.
Creation of Serving Heroes program[59:09]
The foundation formalized this impulse into the Serving Heroes program, which has served over a million meals on military bases, VA facilities, firehouses, and police departments.
At these events, Gary sometimes personally serves food; he recounts dishing beans or macaroni and cheese and how troops later call home saying Lieutenant Dan served their meal.
Support for first responders after disasters[1:00:32]
After major fires in the Palisades, he and foundation ambassadors like Joe Mantegna and John Ondrasik served hundreds of meals to first responders and National Guard members.

Snowball Express and support for children of fallen heroes

Origins and growth of Snowball Express

Initial events in Anaheim and partnership with American Airlines[51:25]
Snowball Express began in 2006 bringing children of fallen soldiers to Disneyland in Anaheim; Gary joined in 2007, donating his band and time.
American Airlines became a key supporter, providing as many as 12 charter flights from across the country to bring families to the event.
Transition to Gary Sinise Foundation and move to Disney World[52:28]
To expand and relocate the event to Disney World, Snowball Express was folded into the Gary Sinise Foundation in 2018, requiring more fundraising due to higher costs.

Structure and impact of Disney World events

Two back-to-back large-scale gatherings[53:49]
The foundation now hosts nearly 1,000 children of fallen military plus surviving spouses and volunteers at Disney World, taking over an entire hotel of around 800 rooms.
After the military-focused event, they host a second event for about 500 children of fallen firefighters and police officers.
Year-round support and peer connections[53:27]
Children meet peers who have all lost a parent in service, form enduring friendships, and stay in touch after returning home.
The foundation also organizes local events across states throughout the year so these families feel continually supported, not just at the big Disney gatherings.
Purpose: visibility and love for families of the fallen[55:16]
Gary says the goal is to shine a spotlight on these families, wrap arms around them, and ensure they know their loved one's sacrifice is remembered.
He notes that each year new families arrive, sometimes due to combat deaths and sometimes due to suicide, and they need to know they are not forgotten.

Building specially adapted homes for severely wounded veterans

Milestone of 100th home

Recent and upcoming home giveaways[1:03:49]
On Veterans Day, the foundation gave away its 99th home in Virginia and shortly afterward its 100th home, marking a major milestone.

Professional building teams and community involvement

Use of professional builders[1:04:59]
Gary explains they use professional builders rather than volunteers for the actual construction to ensure quality and accessibility.
Walls of Honor events[1:05:30]
At the halfway point before drywall, they host "Walls of Honor" where community members and sponsors write messages of love and appreciation on the framing studs.
He recently attended such an event in Tennessee, describing it as a way to rally the community around the veteran receiving the home.

Mac Sinise's life, illness, and faith

Mac's early life, musical talent, and work at the foundation

Introduction to drums and music career[1:06:04]
Gary's son Mac (full name Mckenna Anthony) began playing drums at age nine, quickly showing natural talent and playing through high school.
He studied music at USC and later toured internationally with bands before tiring of the road.
Joining the Gary Sinise Foundation staff[1:06:45]
In 2017 Mac began working at the foundation part-time at Gary's urging, then fell in love with the mission and joined full-time.
He especially loved the "Soaring Valor" program taking World War II veterans to the National WWII Museum in New Orleans, often traveling with groups of about 45 veterans.

Chordoma diagnosis and grueling treatment

Nature of the cancer and disability[1:08:17]
In 2018 Mac was diagnosed with chordoma, a very rare spinal cancer, and had his initial tumor removed in September 2018.
The cancer recurred in May 2019; by 2020-2022 he was disabled, unable to walk or play drums, and relied on a wheelchair and devices like a Hoyer lift.
Extent of treatment efforts[1:09:51]
Over four and a half years, Mac tried about 25 different drugs, including experimental approaches like sea cucumbers from New Zealand thought to have immunotherapy potential.
Gary says there is no cure for chordoma and none of the treatments produced lasting positive results.

Mac's return to music and creation of "Resurrection and Revival"

Decision to finish an old composition[1:10:56]
In early 2023, after years without thinking about music, Mac told Gary he wanted to finish a college piece titled "Arctic Circles."
Gary enthusiastically supported the idea, and Mac began collaborating with band members Dan Myers and Ben Lewis to develop the piece.
Studio sessions and harmonica performance[1:11:13]
By July 2023 Mac was in the studio recording "Arctic Circles" and also playing harmonica on "Shenandoah," an American folk tune, having learned harmonica in his hospital bed.
Videos of these sessions are available on a YouTube channel featuring Mac's work.
Completing the album before his death[1:12:47]
Mac expanded his work into a full album, "Resurrection and Revival," finishing it in December 2023, about two weeks before he died.

Mac's legacy: additional albums, writings, and spiritual preparation

Discovering more music and producing sequels

Resurrection and Revival Part 2[1:13:23]
After Mac's death, Gary found extensive additional compositions in Mac's files, including work for the foundation and college-era pieces.
He produced "Resurrection and Revival Part 2," a double vinyl album, using orchestral musicians and bandmates to bring Mac's melodies to life.
Mac had requested that proceeds from vinyl album sales go to the Gary Sinise Foundation to support its mission.
Work on a third album[1:18:16]
Gary continues to uncover more sketches, from fully orchestrated string pieces to hummed melodies recorded into Mac's phone, and is assembling a third record.
Band members like Ben Lewis and Dan Myers are arranging and expanding Mac's piano pieces and melodies into full compositions.

Mac's messages, writings, and videos for the family

Preparing for the possibility of death[1:19:57]
During a 12-day ICU stay in 2022 related to severe bladder issues, Mac thought he might die and began writing and recording messages for his family.
He expressed a desire to leave something behind so people would know him better, and Gary found these notes and videos after his death.

Mac's faith and character during illness

Graceful warrior mindset[1:21:21]
Gary says he never heard Mac ask "why me"; instead, Mac responded to the diagnosis by calmly recognizing it explained his longstanding tailbone pain.
He describes Mac as a "graceful warrior" with immense courage and grace under relentless physical adversity.
Importance of his renewed faith[1:24:29]
Mac, a devout Catholic, had re-engaged deeply with his faith around 2017, just before his diagnosis, which became a major source of strength during his fight.

Family, grief, and living on in honor of the departed

Support within the Sinise family

Mac's sisters and extended family[1:23:40]
Gary describes his daughters Sophie and Ella as amazing; each has children of her own, and Mac loved his nieces.
He notes his wife and sons-in-law have been deeply supportive, and the family is very close-knit, helping one another through grief.

How grief evolves over time

Shared early grief and later individual waves[1:26:28]
In the beginning, the whole family cried together constantly; over time, each person started to manage their grief differently as moments arose.
Now, when Gary has an emotional moment thinking of Mac, his wife may simply place a hand on his shoulder rather than breaking down herself, signaling mutual support.

Using memories and legacy as sustenance

Honoring loved ones by living fully[1:26:43]
Gary believes those who've died would not want their loved ones paralyzed by grief; instead, they'd want them to make the most of their remaining time.
He says cherishing beautiful memories and actively living on is a way of celebrating and honoring those who have been lost.
Continuing Mac's mission through music[1:29:09]
Gary feels Mac is proud of what they're doing with his music, even if Mac might be stunned by the scale of his father's obsession with it.
The band now performs two of Mac's songs live, and Gary mentions that Mac will effectively debut at the Opry through these compositions.

Success and reach of Mac's music

Chart performance and media coverage[1:32:19]
In May, both "Resurrection and Revival" and "Resurrection and Revival Part 2" were among the top 10 most downloaded albums on iTunes in America.
A Forbes writer noticed an unfamiliar name, "Mac Sinise," on the charts among artists like Blake Shelton and Morgan Wallen and wrote an article about it.

Closing reflections on service, love, and being there for others

Service as a way out of self-focus

Host's insight about helping others when struggling[1:33:43]
The host notes that when he doesn't feel well emotionally, his best move is often to do something for someone else or call and ask how they're doing.

Gratitude for support and partnership

Acknowledging donors and family support[1:35:52]
Gary credits thousands of individual donors and hundreds of corporate sponsors for enabling the foundation's wide array of programs.
He also emphasizes the strength of his family, including his wife and sons-in-law, in supporting him and the mission.

Commitment to continue sharing Mac's work

Future visits and album releases[1:36:56]
Gary says he'll happily return to share and discuss Mac's third record when it is completed.
The episode ends with plans to play Mac's compositions "Arctic Circles" and "The Rise" as a tribute and as fitting pieces for Veterans Day.

Lessons Learned

Actionable insights and wisdom you can apply to your business, career, and personal life.

1

Shifting your focus from your own discomfort to serving others can transform frightening or painful situations into purposeful, sustaining work.

Reflection Questions:

  • When have you avoided a situation because you were worried about how you would feel, rather than about how you might help someone else?
  • How might reframing a current challenge as an opportunity to bring light to someone else's dark moment change the way you show up?
  • What is one environment you find emotionally difficult (e.g., hospitals, conflict zones, tough meetings) where you could instead enter with a mindset of service this month?
2

Small, sincere gestures of appreciation can have an outsized impact on people under intense stress or danger.

Reflection Questions:

  • Who in your life is quietly carrying a heavy load right now who might be uplifted by a brief word of thanks or recognition?
  • In what ways could you build simple habits-like saying "thank you for what you do" or picking up a meal-that regularly acknowledge people who serve around you?
  • What is one concrete act of appreciation you will commit to taking this week for someone whose work is often taken for granted?
3

Supporting those who serve is a shared responsibility between institutions and ordinary citizens; relying solely on government systems leaves critical gaps.

Reflection Questions:

  • Where are you currently assuming that "someone else" (government, companies, charities) will take care of a need that you could help address in a small way?
  • How could you and a few people in your neighborhood or workplace organize around a specific need faced by veterans, first responders, or their families?
  • What local organization or effort could you meaningfully support this quarter with time, money, or skills to strengthen the safety net around those who serve?
4

Creating meaningful work-art, projects, or service-during hardship can turn suffering into legacy and give both the creator and their loved ones a source of strength.

Reflection Questions:

  • What creative or meaningful project have you put off that, if you started it now, could become a lasting source of meaning for you and others?
  • How might pursuing a purposeful project during a difficult season change the way you and those around you experience that hardship?
  • What is one small, concrete step you can take this week to begin capturing your ideas, stories, or skills in a form that could outlive you?
5

Healthy grief doesn't mean forgetting; it means using memories and love for the person you lost as fuel to live more fully rather than shutting down.

Reflection Questions:

  • Which memories of someone you've lost feel most life-giving, and how might you revisit or share those stories more often?
  • In what ways might your current patterns of grief be keeping you from activities or relationships that the person you lost would want you to enjoy?
  • What is one new ritual or practice you could adopt that both honors the memory of a loved one and encourages you to keep moving forward?
6

Investing deeply in family relationships before crisis creates a foundation of trust and support that can carry everyone through unimaginable loss.

Reflection Questions:

  • How connected and supported do the members of your immediate family currently feel by you-and how do you know?
  • What small, regular practices (shared meals, check-in calls, honest conversations) could you strengthen now to deepen your family's resilience before it's tested?
  • Who in your family could you reach out to this week with a more intentional conversation to express care, listen, and reinforce the bond between you?

Episode Summary - Notes by Finley

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