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The Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment

Published September 18, 2025
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About This Episode

Josh and Chuck examine the Tuskegee syphilis experiment, a 40-year U.S. Public Health Service study in which hundreds of poor Black men in Macon County, Alabama with syphilis were misled, denied effective treatment, and used as research subjects without informed consent. They trace the medical and historical background of syphilis, how and why the study was designed and allowed to continue through the discovery of penicillin and the Nuremberg trials, and the whistleblowing that finally exposed it in 1972. The episode also explores the long-term impact on Black Americans' trust in medicine, subsequent ethical and legal reforms, and related abuses such as the Guatemalan syphilis experiments.

Topics Covered

Medical history Infectious disease Bioethics Race relations Government corruption Healthcare system AIDS and HIV research controversy True crime Trauma

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Quick Takeaways

  • The Tuskegee syphilis experiment followed 399 Black men with untreated syphilis and 201 controls in Macon County, Alabama from 1932 to 1972, without their informed consent and while actively withholding effective treatment.
  • Participants were told they had "bad blood" and were being given special free treatment, but in reality received placebos, aspirin, and tonics instead of curative penicillin once it became available.
  • The study continued for decades after both a safe cure (penicillin) and the Nuremberg Code on medical ethics were established, in part because researchers dehumanized the subjects as data and minimized moral concerns.
  • A small number of doctors and public health workers raised ethical objections over the years, but their warnings were ignored until whistleblower Peter Buxton leaked documents to the Associated Press in 1972.
  • Roughly 128 men are estimated to have died from untreated syphilis as a direct result of the study, and their families were also put at risk through sexual and vertical transmission of the disease.
  • Exposure of the study fueled deep distrust of medical institutions among Black Americans, contributing to lower healthcare utilization and complicating responses to later health crises such as the AIDS epidemic.
  • The scandal led to major reforms in U.S. research ethics, including formal requirements for informed consent, peer review of study designs, the National Research Act, and the Belmont Report.
  • A related U.S.-funded project in Guatemala in the late 1940s went even further, deliberately infecting soldiers, prisoners, sex workers, and psychiatric patients with syphilis and other STDs.

Podcast Notes

Introduction and framing of the Tuskegee syphilis experiment

Hosts introduce themselves and the topic

Josh opens the episode and identifies the subject as a shameful chapter in U.S. and medical history[1:28]
• He says the episode is about "one of the more shameful chapters in U.S. history, and indeed medical history"
Chuck mentions neighborhood noise and makes a segue joke[1:36]
• He describes simultaneous construction, lawn work, and a movie shoot near his house and jokingly calls it "shameful" as a segue

Listener recommendation and episode naming

The idea for the episode came from a teenage listener[2:07]
• Chuck says the topic is a listener recommendation from 14-year-old Miles Kendrick
They state the commonly used and official names of the study[2:19]
• They refer to it as the Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment or Tuskegee Syphilis Study
• Josh notes the official title was "the Tuskegee Study of Untreated Syphilis in the Negro Male" and says that "spells it all out"

Overview of what the Tuskegee study did and why it was nefarious

Basic description of the experiment

Recruitment of Black men with syphilis and core misconception[2:58]
• Chuck explains they recruited Black men in Macon County, Alabama who already had syphilis rather than infecting them intentionally, noting that giving them syphilis is a common misconception
• He notes they did deliberately infect people with syphilis in Guatemala, which will be discussed later
Purpose: observe untreated syphilis and racialized assumptions[3:29]
• Chuck says the study enrolled these men and then intentionally did not treat them "just to see how it progressed"
• Researchers believed syphilis presented differently in white versus Black men: more cardiovascular in Black men and more neurological in white men
• The study was originally supposed to last six months but continued for 40 years
Timeline and context in U.S. history[3:51]
• Josh states it began in 1932 in the Jim Crow South and ran through the entire civil rights era
Dehumanization of participants by researchers[4:05]
• Josh says the best explanation is not necessarily that all were inherently evil, but that they came to see the men as "nothing more than a data set"
• He emphasizes that the subjects were stripped of their humanity so thoroughly that researchers did not think they were doing anything wrong, even over 40 years

Why Macon County and Tuskegee were chosen and the vulnerability of participants

Selection of Macon County, Alabama

Multiple reasons for choosing Macon County[4:41]
• Chuck notes its proximity to Tuskegee as a key factor
• He says researchers had been surveying syphilis prevalence to treat people and found Macon County had the highest prevalence
• He adds that internal files revealed they also chose Macon County because the men were rural sharecroppers and poor, described in documents as "immobile and malleable"
Extreme vulnerability and lack of rights[5:23]
• Josh points out that even within the Black population in Jim Crow America, these rural sharecroppers were among the most vulnerable with even fewer rights
• He notes they were "picked on" very specifically because of this vulnerability

Shift from treatment program to non-treatment experiment

Cynical origin of the study[5:46]
• Josh explains that initially there was a well-funded program in the area to treat syphilis, but when funding ran out they decided to "try something different" and not treat people
• He calls this one of the most cynical aspects of the whole project

Lack of informed consent and active deception

Men were not told they had syphilis and believed they were being treated[6:18]
• Chuck emphasizes that the men did not know they had syphilis and were instead told they had "bad blood"
• They believed they were receiving treatment throughout the study, but were actually given placebos
Efforts to prevent subjects from seeking real treatment[6:35]
• Josh mentions that some men who suspected or knew they had syphilis tried to get it treated, but study staff prevented this by discouraging them or by instructing local doctors not to treat them

Public nature of the study and legal violations

The study was not secret in the medical community[6:55]
• Josh clarifies that it was not a secret government study; researchers published 13 journal articles and annual progress reports over 40 years
Alabama law requiring syphilis treatment was ignored[7:37]
• Chuck notes that a 1927 Alabama statute required treatment of syphilis, but the study proceeded anyway in violation of that law
Incentives offered to keep men in the study[6:44]
• He says participants were attracted by promises of hot meals, "treatment," and burial insurance

Medical background: syphilis history, transmission, and progression

Origins and spread of syphilis

Causative organism and early outbreak[7:59]
• Josh explains syphilis is caused by a spiral-shaped bacterium, Treponema pallidum
• He says it dates back at least to Naples in 1495 when mercenaries in the French army contracted syphilis
• Within about eight years it had spread to India and China, which they describe as very fast
Modes of transmission[8:39]
• Josh states syphilis is primarily transmitted through sexual contact and can also be passed from an infected woman to her fetus
Hypothesis of New World origin[9:08]
• Chuck notes a hypothesis that Columbus and his men contracted a New World disease and brought syphilis back to Europe, but says there is no hard proof, only suggestive timing

Symptoms and stages of syphilis

Effects on infants (congenital syphilis)[9:37]
• Chuck says in infants syphilis can be fatal and can cause blindness, deafness, facial differences (teeth and nose), and brain complications
Adult disease progression[9:56]
• He describes primary lesions and then a second stage within a few months featuring widespread lesions, rashes, pain, and headaches
• In the third, latent stage, the disease is no longer transmissible but can attack organs such as the liver, causing liver failure and death, as well as blindness, dementia, and paralysis
Insidious nature of latency[10:28]
• Josh emphasizes that after initial symptoms it can appear to go away, then later return suddenly and kill by causing organ damage

How this relates to Tuskegee participants

Disease stage of enrolled men and the intended duration of the study[10:54]
• Josh says the men in the study were in late latency syphilis when enrolled
• He notes the study was effectively indefinite: it would end when all the men were dead, as researchers wanted to observe their mode of death, including syphilis complications
Number of participants and control group design[11:20]
• Chuck states there were 399 infected men and 201 men in the control group

Key personnel: Eunice Rivers and rationale for her involvement

Role and perception of nurse Eunice Rivers

Recruitment and co-authorship[11:22]
• Chuck notes that Tuskegee Institute nurse Eunice Rivers helped recruit men through ads, word of mouth, and churches, and co-authored two of the 13 study papers
Controversy over her participation and her beliefs[12:27]
• He says she was vilified as a Black woman who helped do this to men of her own race, but she seems to have believed the Public Health Service's claim that syphilis progressed differently in Black men
• Josh adds she reasoned that at least the sharecroppers were getting medical attention and hot meals that they otherwise could not afford, even though the "treatment" was actually no treatment

Development of syphilis treatments and penicillin's impact

Pre-penicillin treatments and search for a "magic bullet"

Early toxic treatments[12:14]
• Chuck explains that from 1910, arsphenamine (an arsenic-based compound) was used; it only partly worked, was expensive, took a year to administer, and was not pleasant
• Josh notes that mercury had been used since about 1500 to treat syphilis

Discovery and efficacy of penicillin

Alexander Fleming's work and later clinical proof[13:07]
• Chuck says Scottish physician Alexander Fleming proved in 1928 that penicillin worked and that its effectiveness was published in The Lancet in 1940
Penicillin as a cure for syphilis[13:58]
• Josh states a single high-dose injection could cure syphilis in eight days, even late latent cases, though existing organ damage would remain
Public Health Service's role and willful withholding[14:13]
• Josh notes the U.S. Public Health Service was instrumental in developing penicillin as a syphilis treatment, so they could not claim ignorance of its effectiveness
• He calls the continued withholding of penicillin one of the most damning aspects of the study, especially since it continued 31 years after penicillin's availability

Active efforts to prevent accidental treatment

Seeing penicillin as an "enemy" of the study[14:59]
• Josh cites later quotes from researchers acknowledging they had to make sure subjects did not receive penicillin for other conditions, because it would "accidentally cure the syphilis"
World War II draft exemptions to avoid STD screening[15:20]
• Chuck explains that during World War II, the study's men were deliberately exempted from the draft because the draft process included STD screening and treatment
• He notes that this meant the men might have been better off being drafted, even risking combat, than remaining in the study where treatment was withheld
• Josh adds that the Public Health Service enlisted the local public health director to persuade the head of the local Selective Service board to pull strings to exempt the men

Origins and conduct of the Tuskegee study

Initial leadership and design

Conception by Taliaferro Clark[20:23]
• Chuck says the study was launched by Taliaferro Clark, director of the Public Health Service's venereal disease division, as a two-armed study with infected and control groups
• Clark did not suggest giving placebos and also did not include white men despite claiming to study racial differences
Use of earlier Oslo study as white comparison[21:04]
• Josh explains there was a similar untreated syphilis study in Oslo from 1891-1910 on white men, published in 1929, and Tuskegee planners intended to use that as the white comparison group

Tuskegee Institute and community betrayal

Tuskegee's role and Booker T. Washington's legacy[21:14]
• Chuck notes Tuskegee Institute was a key educational institution built by Booker T. Washington to serve needy Black people in Alabama
• Josh points out this was the local hospital and community institution, making its involvement a major betrayal and ongoing "black eye" on Tuskegee University

Deception in recruitment and false "treatment"

Promise of "special free treatment"[22:30]
• Chuck repeats that men were told they were signing up for a "special free treatment" for "bad blood" and lined up for it
Actual interventions: aspirin and tonics[22:40]
• He notes that in 1934, 5,000 pink aspirin tablets were shipped, and men were also given tonics and tinctures presented as treatment

Leadership change to Raymond Vondelehr and escalation

Introduction of spinal taps[21:57]
• Josh says that in 1933, Raymond Vondelehr took over, expanded the study, and added spinal taps to look for neurological effects
• He notes spinal taps are risky, painful, and can cause severe headaches
• Chuck cites a letter in which Vondelehr, responding to many complaints from patients about the spinal taps, quipped that "now I'm the one with the headache"

Ethical context: Nuremberg trials and evolving standards

Nazi doctors on trial and the Nuremberg Code

Post-World War II war crimes trials[22:39]
• Josh recounts that after World War II, 23 Nazi doctors were tried at Nuremberg for horrific medical experiments, and seven were sentenced to death
Researchers' indifference to these ethical lessons[22:55]
• He says despite this, Tuskegee researchers essentially reacted as, "Nazis suck, good thing we're not Nazis," and continued the experiment

Internal justifications and persistence after penicillin

Outdated claim that treating late-stage syphilis was harmful[24:08]
• Josh explains that researchers clung to an outdated idea that treating late latent syphilis could "stir up" the disease and cause more harm than good
• He stresses this excuse persisted even after penicillin made treatment safe and effective
Recognition of political risk but continuation[25:03]
• Chuck says internal documents in the 1960 review called the study a "hot potato" and "political dynamite" if it were exposed, showing they knew the ethical and political implications

Official recognition and rewards for subjects

Certificates from the Surgeon General[24:58]
• Chuck notes that in 1957, at the 25th year of the study, the Surgeon General awarded certificates to participants for their work in the study
Later defense by Dr. John Charles Cutler[25:12]
• He cites a 1993 quote from researcher John Charles Cutler saying using large amounts of penicillin would be undesirable because it would interfere with the study

Internal and external criticism, whistleblowing, and exposure

Early internal critics

Count Gibson's letter[26:49]
• Chuck describes Richmond physician Count Gibson, who heard about the study in a 1950s lecture by Sidney Olansky and wrote a letter saying he was "gravely concerned" about its ethics
• Olansky responded that the program was helping participants overall and told him effectively to keep quiet, and Gibson's medical college pressured him to drop the issue
Bill Jenkins at the CDC[27:41]
• Josh recounts that Bill Jenkins, one of the CDC's first African American professional workers and a civil rights activist, learned of the study and was outraged by its racism
• Jenkins tried to get The New York Times and The Washington Post to cover it, but they did not; he later said they should have used a formal press release instead of just mailing materials

Outside criticism from physicians who read the papers

Erwin J. Schatz's response[28:37]
• Chuck notes that Detroit cardiologist Erwin J. Schatz read a study report in 1964 and wrote that he could not believe what was going on, urging the authors to reevaluate their moral judgment
• Co-author Ann R. Yobs said it was the first such critical letter and that she planned to ignore it

Whistleblower Peter Buxton and media exposure

Buxton's discovery and internal challenge[30:11]
• Josh explains Peter Buxton was a 28-year-old venereal disease investigator for the Public Health Service in San Francisco's Tenderloin in 1965 when he heard about the study
• Buxton requested all reports, read them, and was shocked, then confronted William J. Brown, head of the venereal disease division, urging him to stop the study
• Brown argued the men were getting medical care they otherwise wouldn't and repeated the claim that treating late-stage syphilis was dangerous
Leak to the Associated Press and national reaction[30:42]
• Chuck explains that in 1972, Buxton sent his files to the Associated Press, where reporter Gene Heller wrote an article that was published in The New York Times and widely syndicated
• Josh notes that the AP story ran on front pages across the country, triggering immediate public outrage and causing the study to be stopped

Scientific shortcomings, harm done, and official investigations

Congressional hearings and ad hoc advisory panel

Senate response[35:13]
• Chuck says Senator Edward M. Kennedy called congressional hearings, and Buxton testified
Advisory panel's conclusions[35:35]
• He notes that in late 1972 an ad hoc advisory panel declared the study "ethically unjustified" and said its results were "disproportionately meager compared with known risks" to the subjects

Poor scientific quality of the data

Sloppy group management and contamination[36:08]
• Josh cites the "Distillation" podcast from the Science History Museum, saying some infected men accidentally received penicillin and some control men contracted syphilis, after which researchers simply reassigned them between groups
• He says the shuffling of subjects meant the study was not very well run scientifically, despite the enormous time and effort

Human toll and deaths attributable to the study

Estimates of deaths from untreated syphilis[36:47]
• Chuck reports that as many as 128 men in the study may have died from untreated syphilis
• Josh emphasizes these men would not have died from syphilis if they had received penicillin, underscoring that their deaths were directly caused by their participation in the study

Legal settlement, apology, and support for survivors and families

Class action lawsuit and financial compensation

Settlement terms and numbers[37:24]
• Chuck notes a $10 million legal settlement and benefit program was created; at the study's end in 1972, 70 men who had not received treatment were still alive
• Surviving participants received $35,000 each, and heirs of deceased participants received $15,000

Creation of Tuskegee Health Benefit Program

Scope of medical benefits[37:52]
• Chuck says that in 1973, the Tuskegee Health Benefit Program was started to provide medical care for survivors, their widows, and their children
Risk to families through transmission[38:06]
• Josh reminds listeners that these men had wives and babies, so spouses and newborns were at high risk of contracting syphilis because the men were left untreated

1997 presidential apology

Clinton's formal acknowledgment[38:23]
• Chuck recalls that in 1997, President Bill Clinton invited eight living survivors to the White House to offer a formal apology
• Clinton explicitly called the experiment clearly racist and shameful and acknowledged what the men endured

The Tuskegee effect: long-term distrust and health consequences

Evidence of reduced medical trust among Black Americans

Localized and national impacts on healthcare usage[39:10]
• Chuck says studies have shown the Tuskegee experiments had a negative effect on Black Americans' trust in doctors and the medical establishment, leading to less treatment-seeking and worse health outcomes
• He notes that the effect is stronger closer to Macon County, and the phenomenon is referred to as the "Tuskegee effect"
Drop in medical help-seeking after 1972[39:37]
• Josh cites data that in the four years after the story broke, Black men's use of professional medical help in America dropped by 22%
Differences in trust in scientists by race[40:02]
• Chuck mentions a 1997 study finding that 32.1% of Black women surveyed agreed that scientists were not trustworthy, compared to 4.1% of white women

Effect on AIDS epidemic response and conspiracy beliefs

Complicating control of AIDS in Black communities[40:14]
• Josh says the Tuskegee effect is widely blamed for making it difficult to contain the AIDS epidemic in the Black community in the 1980s and 1990s
Belief that government created AIDS[40:31]
• He cites a 2021 study finding that 27.7% of Black Americans surveyed believed the government created AIDS to carry out genocide against Black Americans

Historian Susan Reverby's perspective on structural racism

Tuskegee as part of a larger pattern[40:51]
• Josh references historian Susan Reverby on the "Distillation" podcast, who argues that while Tuskegee contributed to distrust, focusing solely on it ignores ongoing structural racism in healthcare
• He says Reverby emphasizes that current experiences of racism in healthcare keep distrust fresh, not just past events like Tuskegee
• Chuck comments that Tuskegee "put a bow on" existing patterns of mistreatment

Reforms in research ethics and informed consent after Tuskegee

Immediate policy changes in the 1970s

NIH and congressional rule changes[41:31]
• Chuck notes that after 1972, Congress and the National Institutes of Health changed rules around human subjects research, requiring informed consent and peer review of study designs
National Research Act of 1974[41:55]
• He says the 1974 National Research Act resulted in a list of regulations and standards in the wake of Tuskegee

Belmont Report and ethical principles

Three core principles: respect, beneficence, justice[42:54]
• Josh explains the 1979 Belmont Report defined three required elements for research involving humans: respect for persons, beneficence, and justice
• He elaborates that beneficence means going beyond minimal requirements to genuinely protect and be kind to subjects, and justice means equality in treatment, selection, and distribution of benefits
Delayed adoption of these principles in U.S. policy[42:22]
• Josh notes the Belmont principles were not fully adopted until 1995, 16 years after the report, and that the U.S. only codified informed consent in the 1970s despite the 1947 Nuremberg Code

Presidential bioethics initiatives

Clinton's 1995 committees on bioethics[43:39]
• Chuck says that in 1995, President Clinton ordered the creation of multiple presidential committees on bioethics and how research was done
Commentary on U.S. slowness to adopt ethics[42:38]
• Josh expresses outrage that it took until the 1970s for the U.S. to officially adopt informed consent requirements, calling it "awful" that it took so long after Nuremberg

Related abuses: Guatemalan syphilis experiments and other racism in care

Guatemalan infection experiments (1946-1948)

Overview and casualties[43:27]
• Chuck explains that in 1946-48, U.S.-funded research in Guatemala deliberately exposed and infected soldiers, prisoners, sex workers, and mental patients with syphilis
• He says 83 patients died and only 700 received minimal treatment
Role of Dr. John Charles Cutler[44:35]
• Josh identifies Dr. John Charles Cutler as the leader of the Guatemalan experiments and notes he had earlier run similar infection experiments in U.S. prisons
• He describes Cutler as potentially evil, noting that in 1993 Cutler still defended Tuskegee, saying penicillin would have interfered with the study
Methods used to infect people[44:05]
• Chuck recounts that Cutler infected people by injecting syphilis into their eyes, infecting cotton swabs and inserting them into sex organs, and ordering infected sex workers to have sex with men to study transmission

Contemporary evidence of racial bias in medical treatment

Oregon emergency room study on pain medication[45:31]
• Josh cites a 2020 study of Oregon emergency rooms in which Black and white patients had similar self-reported pain scores, but physicians gave pain meds to only 14% of Black patients versus 20% of white patients
• He uses this as evidence that racial disparities in care are still ongoing and not just historical
Reflection on slow progress in the U.S.[45:11]
• Josh says the U.S. often takes a very long time to do the right thing and hopes that continuing to talk about Tuskegee will help bring the country closer to equitable care

Closing reflections on remembering negative history

Importance of telling these stories

Warning against erasing uncomfortable history[46:31]
• Chuck stresses that it's important to tell stories like Tuskegee now because such stories are "actively being scrubbed" from institutions like the Smithsonian
• He argues that a country cannot ignore its negative history and still learn about and improve its future
Metaphor and t-shirt comment[46:37]
• Josh responds that this sentiment should be put on a t-shirt, underscoring their agreement on the importance of historical reckoning

Lessons Learned

Actionable insights and wisdom you can apply to your business, career, and personal life.

1

When people are reduced to data points instead of recognized as full human beings, it becomes far easier for institutions and professionals to rationalize unethical behavior and ignore harm.

Reflection Questions:

  • • Where in your work or life are you at risk of seeing people as numbers, categories, or "cases" instead of as individuals with full stories?
  • • How could you build in practices (like regularly hearing firsthand stories) that remind you of the human impact behind the metrics you track?
  • • What is one process or decision you are involved in that you could redesign this month to center the dignity and autonomy of the people affected?
2

Ethical standards are only meaningful if individuals are willing to question authority, speak up when something feels wrong, and persist even when their concerns are dismissed.

Reflection Questions:

  • • When was the last time you noticed something that felt ethically off and chose not to say anything, and what held you back?
  • • How might you prepare yourself now (allies, documentation, channels) so that you are more ready to raise concerns if you witness wrongdoing in the future?
  • • What concrete step could you take this week to support or protect potential whistleblowers or truth-tellers in your own organization or community?
3

Informed consent and transparency are non-negotiable in any situation where people are exposed to risk; hiding information or using vague language to secure agreement fundamentally undermines trust.

Reflection Questions:

  • • Where do you currently rely on fine print, jargon, or ambiguity that might prevent others from truly understanding what they are agreeing to?
  • • How would your conversations or documents change if your goal was for a skeptical, non-expert person to clearly grasp both the benefits and the risks?
  • • What is one agreement, policy, or communication you manage that you could rewrite this month to make it clearer, more honest, and more respectful of others' autonomy?
4

Institutional betrayal creates long-lasting distrust that can persist for generations, so rebuilding trust with marginalized groups requires visible accountability, reparative actions, and consistent fair treatment over time.

Reflection Questions:

  • • Which individuals or communities in your orbit have good reason to distrust your profession, organization, or field based on past experiences?
  • • How could you demonstrate, through specific actions rather than words, that you take that history seriously and are committed to doing things differently now?
  • • What long-term commitment (rather than a one-off gesture) could you make in the next year to steadily rebuild credibility with people who have been let down before?
5

Facing and teaching uncomfortable parts of history is essential for preventing their repetition; erasing or minimizing past harms only makes it easier for similar abuses to recur in new forms.

Reflection Questions:

  • • What difficult historical events related to your country, industry, or community do you tend to avoid thinking or talking about, and why?
  • • How might regularly engaging with those uncomfortable stories change the way you evaluate current policies, proposals, or "business as usual" practices?
  • • What is one concrete way you could help keep an important but painful historical lesson visible (through education, discussion, or documentation) in your sphere of influence?

Episode Summary - Notes by Casey

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