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Pivot

Meta Monopoly Verdict, Trump Signs the Epstein Bill, and Nvidia's Q3 Earnings

Published November 21, 2025
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About This Episode

Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway discuss Nvidia's blowout Q3 earnings, the sustainability of the current AI boom, and the risks of having the broader economy so dependent on a handful of tech giants. They analyze the federal court ruling that Meta did not break antitrust law with its Instagram and WhatsApp acquisitions, Trump's signing of the bill to release the Jeffrey Epstein files, and the emerging cultural backlash against billionaire entitlement revealed in leaked Epstein-related emails. The conversation also covers Trump's fawning visit with Mohammed bin Salman, Elon Musk's presence at that dinner, the bidding war for Warner Bros. Discovery among Paramount, Comcast, and Netflix, and political implications including New York City Mayor-elect Zoran Mamdani's upcoming meeting with Trump and a possible progressive shift in U.S. politics.

Topics Covered

Artificial intelligence Stock market concentration Investing Jeffrey Epstein scandal Government corruption Wealth inequality U.S. politics and elections Media trust and propaganda Wealth tax Streaming media industry

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Quick Takeaways

  • Nvidia's Q3 results beat already aggressive expectations on revenue, data center sales, margins, and guidance, temporarily deflating talk of an AI bubble but underscoring how dependent markets and the economy have become on a handful of tech firms.
  • A federal judge ruled that Meta did not violate antitrust laws in its acquisitions of Instagram and WhatsApp, highlighting real competitive growth from rivals like TikTok but leaving Meta's massive ad power and social impact largely unaddressed.
  • Trump signed a bill ordering the release of the Jeffrey Epstein files while continuing to call the scandal a hoax, and Scott argues that the tone of leaked emails among powerful men may trigger a broader backlash against billionaire entitlement and accelerate support for more progressive policies.
  • Pam Bondi and the Trump Justice Department have repeatedly delayed and hedged on Epstein-related disclosures, creating a perception of guilt and raising questions about whether Republicans will continue to be seen as protecting alleged abusers.
  • Trump's effusive praise of Mohammed bin Salman and dismissive comments about Jamal Khashoggi's murder at a White House dinner with MBS and Elon Musk reinforced perceptions of corruption and incompetence in handling a key strategic relationship.
  • Warner Bros. Discovery is at the center of a high-stakes bidding contest involving Paramount (backed by sovereign wealth funds), Comcast, and Netflix, with Scott stressing that fiduciary duty means the highest credible bid will prevail regardless of who might be the "best" owner creatively.
  • Kara favors Comcast as a disciplined, quality-focused steward for Warner's assets, while Scott thinks the outcome likely hinges on how willing Larry Ellison is to overpay to secure the company for his son David.
  • Scott predicts that growing public disgust with elite behavior revealed in Epstein-related materials could fuel a strong Democratic wave in the House and push serious consideration of wealth taxes and more expansive social policies.
  • Both hosts expect New York City Mayor-elect Zoran Mamdani and Trump to find it mutually beneficial to project a cordial, statesmanlike relationship when they meet at the White House.
  • Throughout the episode, Kara and Scott tie together tech, media consolidation, and high-level politics into a picture of increasing oligarchic influence and a mounting populist reaction.

Podcast Notes

Introduction, travel banter, and personal anecdotes

Hosts check in on travel and rest

Kara and Scott discuss recent trips and exhaustion[1:35]
• Kara says she's back from one more trip to Las Vegas and plans not to travel much until March aside from holidays
• Scott is back in London, says he wouldn't describe himself as rested but feels pretty good

Vegas trip and the Sphere

Kara did a speech in Vegas and considered going to the Sphere[2:14]
• She decided not to go to the Sphere because she was too tired and chose to rest instead
Scott's impression of Sphere audience and psychedelics[2:14]
• Scott jokes that the Wizard of Oz in color at the Sphere is made for people tripping on mushroom chocolates

Edibles and kids' safety

Scott warns about edibles looking like candy[2:58]
• He recalls Aspen service staff taking home THC gummies that looked like candy, leading kids to eat 50 mg THC doses
• He notes spikes in Doritos sales and South Park viewership as a humorous consequence
Kara threw away an old mushroom chocolate[2:30]
• She found a year-old mushroom chocolate in a drawer and discarded it, partly for safety with kids around

Cleaning as therapy and London weather

Kara enjoys cleaning and organizing drawers[3:28]
• She calls cleaning her form of therapy and says she feels productive when she can clean out drawers during calmer periods
Scott jokes about "yelling at the help" and comments on London weather[3:51]
• He says he likes to "drive up in a truck and yell at the help" as his caricature of estate life
• When asked how the weather is, he answers that in London it's predictably gray

Humor segment: Penis jokes and cultural references

Discussion of alleged Trump and Epstein anatomy stories

Kara asks if there are many unusually shaped penises[4:47]
• She references stories that Trump's penis is mushroom-shaped, Jeffrey Epstein's is lemon-shaped, and Bill Clinton's allegedly curves, noting many claims appeared in court records
Scott's response and one fact about anatomy[4:57]
• Scott suggests some of these stories may be driven by hatred rather than fact but acknowledges some came up in legal proceedings
• He says nose, penis, and ears are independent of the size of the rest of the body, making male anatomy somewhat unpredictable
Scott's stance on sending explicit photos[5:49]
• He tells men he coaches that they should never send pictures of their "junk" because he thinks male genitalia is not aesthetically attractive
• He contrasts this with the female form, which he calls beautiful

Wicked: The movie premiere and cultural relevance

Kara attends the premiere of Wicked: For Good[6:56]
• She describes the premiere at Lincoln Center in New York with her partner Amanda and kids and says it was "cool" and fun
Her review of the film[7:25]
• Kara finds the film quite good and predicts it will be an enormous hit, though she thinks the music is not as strong as the original
• She praises Ariana Grande and the other leads as astonishing performers
Political resonance of Wicked[7:52]
• She emphasizes that the movie was written long before the Trump era and is broadly about dictatorships, but says it feels very pertinent and resonant in the current political climate
Claire Danes encounter and My So-Called Life connection[8:01]
• Kara recounts Claire Danes approaching her at the premiere and saying she is a fan who listens to Pivot
• Kara notes that the creator of My So-Called Life, Winnie Holzman, wrote the book for Wicked, and Danes attended to support her

Nvidia's Q3 earnings, AI boom, and systemic risk

Headline numbers from Nvidia's quarter

Revenue and earnings beat[9:34]
• Nvidia reported $57 billion in revenue versus expectations of $55 billion, which Scott notes were already very aggressive
• Data center revenue came in at $51.2 billion vs. an expected $49.3 billion
• Adjusted diluted earnings per share came in at around 1.30 versus expectations of 1.00
Guidance and margins[11:02]
• Nvidia guided Q4 revenue to $65 billion versus a $62 billion consensus, an increase of about 5%
• Scott highlights that Nvidia raised its margin guidance to 75% from 74.6%, which he finds especially impressive given he expected pricing pressure
Sales growth and market reaction[11:24]
• Sales growth accelerated to 63%, breaking a six-quarter streak of decelerating growth
• Nvidia's strong report lifted other large-cap tech stocks: Tesla, Microsoft, Meta, Amazon, and Alphabet all gained modestly after recent declines

AI boom vs. bubble narrative

Relief from AI bubble fears[12:17]
• Scott says the entire economy let out a sigh of relief because the narrative had shifted from AI boom to AI bubble, and these results undercut the bubble thesis for now
• He notes that markets seemed to be grasping for evidence that AI was a bubble but "didn't get it" on this call
Concerns about systemic concentration[12:15]
• Scott criticizes that the U.S. economy and even the political "cloud cover" of the Trump administration are being propped up by a small group of roughly ten companies
• He defines a robust economy as one where no single company can take it down, contrasting that with the current environment around Nvidia and the AI complex
Analogy to banking system and JP Morgan[15:06]
• Scott cites JP Morgan being worth more than the ten largest European banks combined and imagines a scenario where a rogue trader loss would force a government bailout
• He argues post-2008 reforms like Sarbanes-Oxley and stress testing created a "Goldilocks" level of leverage and compliance but systemic risk remains

Mechanics of an AI-driven downturn

Circular investment dynamics reminiscent of 1999[18:01]
• Scott calls the large AI investments between Nvidia, Microsoft, Anthropic, and others "late '99 circular bullshit" where firms invest in each other and spend the money back into the ecosystem
• He recalls late-1990s internet entrepreneurs, including himself, cross-investing in each other's companies and effectively buying each other's products until one failure pulled everyone down
Potential unwinding scenario[18:32]
• Scott posits that if a big traditional company announces it is scaling back AI investments and reducing OpenAI/Anthropic licenses, Nvidia could report a down quarter
• Given how much wealth and spending are tied to top decile households and tech-heavy portfolios, a sharp market drawdown could trigger rapid discretionary spending cuts and an overnight recession
• He concludes a correction is coming; the only unknown is timing

Meta monopoly verdict and antitrust implications

Overview of the Meta-FTC case outcome

Judge rules Meta did not violate antitrust laws[18:56]
• A federal judge held that Meta did not break antitrust law when it acquired Instagram and WhatsApp, ruling that the government failed to prove Meta is currently a monopoly
• The judge noted that TikTok is now Meta's fiercest rival, undermining the theory that Meta had locked up the market
Kara's critique of the case[19:56]
• Kara says she thought the case was weak from the start and describes it as a "silly trial," asserting there is clear competition in Meta's world
• She notes Mark Zuckerberg previously visited the White House before the trial to lobby for a settlement and "prostrate" himself, which she now views as unnecessary given the legal outcome

Traditional antitrust gatekeeping vs. current landscape

How antitrust used to work[19:18]
• Scott explains that historically the FTC and DOJ economists tried to prevent excessive concentration that would grant pricing power and transfer money from consumers to monopoly shareholders
• He clarifies that monopolies themselves aren't illegal, but monopoly power and its abuse are; in some cases, like utilities, monopolies are allowed but subject to regulation
Claim that current regulators have become a "free for all"[19:12]
• Scott asserts that, from CEOs' perspective, the FTC and DOJ have effectively opened the floodgates, making executives less worried about antitrust when pursuing acquisitions
• He notes that companies with richly valued stock view acquisitions as cheap, like having a preloaded credit card, and investment banking/M&A work is booming again
• He cites M&A banker Terry Kawaja saying his business is "better than ever"
Cronyism and political gating replacing formal review[20:08]
• Scott argues that antitrust constraints are being replaced by political favoritism, where deals may be blocked or allowed based on leaders' personal views of executives
• He gives an example that Netflix might struggle to acquire Warner Bros. assets because Trump views CEO Reed Hastings as a Democrat, suggesting political spite could override economic logic

Evidence of competition and Meta's scale

User growth data for major platforms[22:09]
• Since the year Meta acquired WhatsApp, YouTube active users have doubled and LinkedIn users have grown roughly 4x
• TikTok grew from nonexistence to 1.6 billion users, while Snapchat users increased by more than 8x and Meta's daily active users increased by about 4x
Meta's dominance in ads and social[22:10]
• Meta products are used daily by about 3.5 billion people, or 43% of the world's population
• Out of the top eight most used social platforms globally, Meta owns four, and it captures about 21% of all digital ad spend
• Kara suggests Meta's ad dominance is the better antitrust target going forward

Non-economic harms and monopoly abuse

Scott's concept of "non-economic costs"[23:09]
• Scott argues Meta's monopoly rents show up in non-economic costs like mental health harms to teens, citing content that leads some girls to self-harm
• He claims Meta does not feel compelled to respond because it has so much power and margin that it does not have to heed public concern
• He believes this is where enforcement should focus rather than on the Instagram/WhatsApp acquisition case that just failed

Trump, the Epstein files bill, and fallout for elites

Trump's signing of the Epstein files bill

Bill requirements and loopholes[27:14]
• Trump signed a bill ordering the Department of Justice to release the Jeffrey Epstein files within 30 days, while touting himself for its passage through Congress
• Kara notes the bill allegedly has major loopholes, raising doubts about whether the full file will truly be released
Pam Bondi's non-answers and FBI's prior stance[27:23]
• Attorney General Pam Bondi repeatedly tells reporters the DOJ will "follow the law" and provide "maximum transparency" while protecting victims, without affirming that all files will be released in 30 days
• Scott points out that the FBI director has already claimed they released everything they could, reinforcing skepticism about further transparency
• Kara says Bondi has done nothing but act like Trump's personal lawyer, doing whatever she can to delay disclosure

Trump's hostility toward reporters

Insulting Catherine Lucey and ABC's Mary Bruce[28:03]
• Kara recounts Trump snapping "Quiet, piggy" at Bloomberg reporter Catherine Lucey when she asked about the Epstein files on Air Force One, and later insulting ABC's Mary Bruce over corruption questions
• She finds the phrase "quiet piggy" particularly revealing and offensive, saying it encapsulates the contemptuous way these powerful men see others

Epstein's leverage and Republican obstruction

Scott's framing of Epstein's posthumous power[29:12]
• Scott quips that the third most powerful person in the world is a dead pedophile, referring to Epstein's hold over politicians
• He says Epstein's shadow persuaded Speaker Mike Johnson to send Congress home to avoid a vote and to deny seating to a duly elected representative, showing fear of exposure
• He argues the administration has done everything possible to delay release, which only deepens the stench of guilt

Cultural impact of leaked emails and elite tone

Scott compares this moment to revolutionary triggers[30:21]
• After reading some of the newly public emails, Scott likens this to Planet of the Apes' Caesar saying "no," Tiananmen Square, and the Arab Spring as moments that reconfigure social order
• He believes the vibe and tone of these men's communications-assuming they can do whatever they want-will be more impactful than any specific crimes
Description of billionaire "entitlement" vibe[31:38]
• Scott says the emails reveal a culture where elites assume they are protected by the law but not bound by it, while ordinary people are bound by the law but not protected by it
• He characterizes this as a "let them eat cake" moment signaling the public may have had enough of billionaires casually discussing space travel, big financial maneuvers, and tax advantages while others struggle
Predicted political and policy consequences[32:44]
• Scott anticipates a reconfiguration of tax policy, possible moves toward socialized medicine, and dramatically higher tax rates as a backlash to the entitlement on display
• He expects a strong Democratic wave in the House, comparing it to the Republican Gingrich wave, driven in part by disgust at these revelations

Larry Summers, Epstein ties, and proportionality

Summers' resignations from Harvard and OpenAI[36:50]
• Kara notes Larry Summers is stepping down from teaching at Harvard after an investigation into his Epstein ties and has also resigned from OpenAI's board
• His emails revealing he sought dating advice from Epstein have surfaced, which Kara calls "weird" and believes have essentially ended his public roles
Scott's view on context and overreaction[37:20]
• Scott argues that while Summers showed poor judgment by continuing to interact with a convicted pedophile and asking him for help, his behavior is not remotely in the same universe as actual child abuse
• He warns that once a scandal breaks, shrapnel lacks nuance and people will conflate different levels of wrongdoing, but insists Summers' actions are more about stupidity and tone-deafness than depravity
• Kara comments that Summers is standing on the crack as the ground shifts and that personal dislike of him likely worsens the backlash

MBS visit, Khashoggi, Musk-Trump optics, and ABC's response

Elon Musk's appearance with Trump and MBS

First joint sighting since feud[45:25]
• Kara notes that Elon Musk attended a White House dinner with Trump and Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, one of the few times Musk and Trump have been seen together since their falling out

Trump's handling of Jamal Khashoggi question

Deflection and praise of MBS[45:34]
• When asked about Jamal Khashoggi's murder, Trump calls MBS's performance "phenomenal" and labels Khashoggi "extremely controversial," claiming many people disliked him and that MBS "knew nothing" about the killing
• Trump rebukes the question as embarrassing to the guest and calls it "ridiculous," despite U.S. intelligence assessments that MBS ordered the murder
Kara's critique of the dinner and exaggerated investment claims[46:45]
• Kara points out that U.S. intelligence agencies have linked MBS to Khashoggi's murder and refers to him as "Mohammed Bonesaw" based on the gruesome killing method
• She criticizes Trump's "slathering" praise of MBS, notes he boasted of a supposed $1 trillion in Saudi investment that exceeds the Saudi economy, and says many Saudi investments like NEOM have struggled
• Kara argues the U.S. received little concrete benefit in exchange, while Trump effectively downplayed premeditated murder as "things happened"

Scott on realpolitik and incompetence

Strategic value vs. moral clarity[47:53]
• Scott reiterates his belief that MBS ordered Khashoggi's murder but stresses the need to ask "now what?" given America's own role in conflicts like Iraq, which killed hundreds of thousands
• He supports a strong U.S.-Saudi relationship for security and sees MBS as a genuine reformer in some respects, but calls the dinner's handling incompetent
Failure to anticipate obvious questions[49:11]
• Scott says the White House should have anticipated the Khashoggi question and prepared a better joint answer that didn't make both Trump and MBS look bad
• He suggests that for such a high-stakes visit, answering defensively and threatening media licenses is a sign of incompetence, not strategy

ABC News, Bob Iger, and media posture toward Trump

Perception that Bob Iger is changing course[51:45]
• Scott recounts that in prior elite dinners, powerful people called Bob Iger a "coward" over his handling of Trump, but he now sees ABC taking a more aggressive journalistic stance
• He cites George Stephanopoulos and the young ABC reporter's firm questions as evidence that ABC journalists have been told to "go for it" and act as hard-core reporters
• Kara agrees and says if she were Bob Iger, she would go on the offensive regarding Trump's threats to ABC's license

Warner Bros. Discovery sale: bidders, strategy, and politics

Overview of bidding process and key players

Deadline for bids and potential buyers[8:59:03]
• Kara explains that Warner Bros. Discovery has set a deadline for bids, with Paramount, Comcast, and Netflix expected to make offers for some or all of the company
• She notes Paramount is seen as the frontrunner due to financial and political advantages, but the company has denied reports it is partnering with Saudi, Qatari, and Abu Dhabi sovereign wealth funds for a $71 billion offer
Comcast and Netflix motivations[8:59:03]
• Comcast is interested in Warner's studios and streaming assets and, in Kara's view, would be the best owner from a Hollywood perspective given its management quality and track record with projects like the Olympics
• Netflix has signaled willingness to keep Warner movies in theaters as a way to make itself more attractive to creatives and expand into premium IP and potentially live sports

Auction mechanics and fiduciary duty

Revlon duty and need to take the highest bid[9:15:39]
• Scott says under legal precedents, Warner's board has an obligation to accept the highest credible offer to satisfy shareholders, regardless of who might be creatively preferable
• He expects bankers to solicit letters of intent by a set date, then go back to the party with the deepest pockets-likely Larry and David Ellison-and give them a chance to top the best bid by a fixed deadline
Relative position of Ellisons, Comcast, and Netflix[55:35]
• Scott notes Warner Bros. Discovery has a market cap of about $57 billion and $30 billion in debt, implying an enterprise value of $87 billion, while Comcast's market cap is around $98 billion, making the deal almost a merger in scale
• He says Comcast's stock decline makes acquisitions effectively twice as expensive compared to several years ago, while firms with surging stocks (like Palantir) see everything as cheap
• He argues this deal ultimately comes down to how rich Larry Ellison feels when David calls to ask for a final, possibly very high, bid

Creative and ecosystem implications

Kara's preference for Comcast[1:02:30]
• Kara repeatedly calls Comcast the best potential owner, praising Brian Roberts as honorable and Donna Langley and Mike Cavanagh as smart, disciplined executives with good taste and concrete tech execution examples
• She is skeptical of the Ellisons' talk about bringing a tech solution to media, saying when pressed they respond with vague "tech, tech, tech" rhetoric rather than specifics
Desire for robust streaming competition[1:01:18]
• Scott prefers a diverse streaming ecosystem and worries that if Netflix acquires Warner's assets, it could become nearly unstoppable, reducing competition and bargaining power for labor
• He suggests that either a beefed-up Paramount or Comcast could serve as a viable third competitor alongside Netflix and YouTube, which would be healthier for the market
News assets and foreign influence concerns[1:01:39]
• Kara notes that none of the bidders really care about CNN or other news properties and that news is largely seen as a problem, not a prize, in these negotiations
• Scott raises a hypothetical concern about Saudi sovereign wealth funds helping finance a bid that would give the Kingdom influence over a major news network, framing it as a serious question for U.S. policy

Predictions: Mamdani-Trump meeting and political realignment

Kara's prediction on Zoran Mamdani meeting Trump

Expectation of surprising cordiality[1:15:55]
• Kara notes that New York City Mayor-elect Zoran Mamdani is meeting Trump at the White House and predicts they will get along "like peas and carrots" despite past insults
• She warns Mamdani not to get caught in compromising optics, such as being photographed in a staged setting with figures like J.D. Vance that could be used politically against him

Scott's broader political prediction

Democratic wave and progressive policies[1:18:20]
• Scott predicts Democrats will not only retake the House but do so "viciously," drawing a parallel to the Gingrich-era Republican wave
• He believes the Epstein emails and broader billionaire culture will accelerate support for wealth taxes, higher tax rates, and potentially moves towards socialized medicine or other progressive reforms

Scott's choice to avoid meeting people he critiques

Maintaining critical distance[1:19:03]
• Scott mentions being invited to a dinner with a high-profile person he frequently discusses on the show and declining, so he would not soften his commentary after liking them personally

Lessons Learned

Actionable insights and wisdom you can apply to your business, career, and personal life.

1

When an economy or portfolio is heavily dependent on a small number of firms or sectors, even a minor stumble in one of them can cascade into disproportionately large economic and psychological damage.

Reflection Questions:

  • • Where in your own finances or business are you overly reliant on a single client, product, or sector, and what would happen if it "sneezed"?
  • • How could you gradually diversify your income streams or customer base over the next 6-12 months to reduce concentration risk?
  • • What early warning indicators could you monitor regularly to spot when a key counterpart or sector is starting to weaken so you can adjust proactively?
2

Opaque, entitled behavior by elites eventually provokes backlash; sustainable power depends on transparency, accountability, and visibly living by the same rules as everyone else.

Reflection Questions:

  • • In what areas of your work or life might others perceive you as operating by a different set of rules than they have to follow?
  • • How can you build more transparency into your decision-making and communication so people understand your reasoning rather than assuming bad faith?
  • • What is one concrete action you could take this month to demonstrate accountability-especially in an area where you hold more power or privilege than others?
3

Who you associate with, and how you communicate with them, can define your reputation years later; poor judgment around relationships can be career-limiting even if it isn't criminal.

Reflection Questions:

  • • Which current relationships in your professional life might look questionable or misaligned with your values if every email and message were made public?
  • • How might you apply a higher standard of due diligence before attaching your name to people, projects, or boards?
  • • What boundaries or guidelines could you set for yourself about what you will and won't discuss over email or text with high-risk contacts?
4

In auctions and negotiations, structure and timing-deadlines, clarity about 'best and final' offers, and understanding each party's constraints-often matter as much as raw valuation.

Reflection Questions:

  • • When you negotiate deals, do you clearly define timelines and decision points, or do you allow conversations to drift without structure?
  • • How could you better identify which counterparties have the deepest pockets or strongest strategic need so you can focus your energy where leverage is highest?
  • • What is one upcoming negotiation where you could introduce a clear deadline or 'final offer' framework to create urgency and surface true intentions?
5

Media organizations and institutions regain trust not by seeking safety or neutrality at all costs, but by asking hard questions consistently and accepting the risks that come with real accountability.

Reflection Questions:

  • • In your role-whether as a leader, teammate, or citizen-where have you been pulling punches instead of asking the hard questions that need to be asked?
  • • How might your long-term credibility improve if you prioritized truth-seeking over short-term comfort or access?
  • • What is one specific situation this week where you can choose to be more forthright, even if it risks friction with someone powerful or important to you?

Episode Summary - Notes by Drew

Meta Monopoly Verdict, Trump Signs the Epstein Bill, and Nvidia's Q3 Earnings
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