Brainstorming $100M Ideas with the $1B+ King of Brands

with Eric Ryan

Published October 8, 2025
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About This Episode

The hosts interview consumer brand entrepreneur Eric Ryan about how he repeatedly reinvents everyday product categories like soap, vitamins, and bandages into large, culturally resonant brands. Ryan explains his simple but disciplined model for spotting category white space, stealing inspiration from distant industries and geographies, and balancing familiarity with novelty, then applies that thinking in a live brainstorming session for new $100M+ brand ideas. He also discusses the challenges of execution, leadership, and funding, including a recent failed retail jewelry venture and his current shift toward incubating brands and investing via a new consumer fund.

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Quick Takeaways

  • Eric Ryan looks for big cultural or macro shifts that a product category has missed, then builds brands in the gap between that shift and the category's outdated reality.
  • His method relies on "stealing" ideas from faraway categories or countries and combining two disparate concepts to create creative tension that is both familiar and novel.
  • Over-innovation is a common failure mode: Ryan aims to change only one key thing in a product versus incumbents to keep adoption easy and avoid overwhelming consumers.
  • Execution and energy transfer are as important as the idea; Ryan credits early success to relentlessly pitching local store managers and selling them on his conviction.
  • The OLLY vitamin brand came from reframing confusing, ingredient-led vitamins as simple, lifestyle-led benefits in iconic square jars with a bold white cap.
  • Trend trips abroad, paired with a 24-hour creative turnaround loop, allowed Ryan and his partners to pitch polished product concepts to retailers before even flying home.
  • Live brainstorming in the episode applies Ryan's framework to new ideas like modern fiber supplements, a reimagined American diner, branded chicken, and gourmet snack cheeses.
  • Ryan differentiates between being an artist and an operator, now preferring to incubate ideas and coach CEOs rather than be the day-to-day leader himself.
  • His failed attempt to reinvent the jewelry store illustrates how even strong consumer concepts can die when capital intensity and market timing are wrong.
  • Naming is treated as a strategic act: he starts from a single "jumping-off" word that captures the brand's core meaning, then iterates until a simple, evocative name appears.

Podcast Notes

Introduction and Eric Ryan's background

Host introduces Eric Ryan and his track record

Eric is described with playful titles like "king of commerce" and "titan of Target"[0:00]
Host frames him as a "magic man" at reinventing consumer categories
Brands Eric co-founded or created[0:07]
Method soap is mentioned as a product on the host's kitchen counter
OLLY gummies are mentioned as vitamins the host's kids take every day
Welly bandages are cited as another of Eric's brands
Business scale context[1:16]
Eric says Method and OLLY are both probably getting close to billion-dollar brands

Relationship with Target

Mutual love between Eric and Target[3:05]
Host says, "Target loves that guy," and Eric responds, "I love Target. So it's a mutual love affair"
Early Target partnership[3:05]
Around 2002 Eric pitched "designer commodities" to Target at a time when mass retailers did not work with startups
He says they were the first to go in under that model and it became an amazing long-term partnership

Eric's core playbook for reinventing consumer categories

Origin of his model and constant retail observation

Eric is "annoying" to shop with because he treats stores like the "Super Bowl of commerce"[3:54]
He constantly hunts for ideas in mass retailers, grocery, and drugstores
Advertising background as foundation[4:04]
He learned in advertising how to take deep consumer insight and translate it into great creative execution
His core thesis as an entrepreneur is to look for "white spaces" where there is a "sea of sameness" and it feels ripe to do something different

Step 1: Find a cultural shift or macro trend the category has missed

Define the opportunity gap[4:35]
He looks for a cultural shift or macro trend that has occurred but the category has not caught up with
The gap between that cultural shift and the current category norm is where he sees business opportunity
Method example: lifestyling the home[4:40]
In 2002, he noticed a shift toward "lifestyling" the home-treating household products as part of an emotional connection to the home
He points out you "look at a dish soap more than you use it", so aesthetics on the sink matter
At that time, no one treated dish soap as a decorative or design object despite this cultural shift
Method example: health, wellness, and sustainability[9:18]
He notes another macro trend: consumers were being asked to "pollute when you clean" or use poisons to make homes healthier
Health, wellness, and sustainability were rising in other categories but had not yet shown up in home cleaning products
Method brought those macro trends into home care, aligning cleaning with sustainability and health

Preference for existing big categories vs. creating new ones

Iterating vs inventing from scratch[5:56]
He believes it's much easier to make money by iterating on something that already exists rather than inventing a wholly new category
Existing categories mean you don't have to spend as much on consumer education to explain a totally novel product
Influence of Richard Branson's model[7:07]
While living in London in the 1990s, Eric was inspired by Richard Branson's consistent business model
Branson applied an entertainment model to unsexy industries like airlines, using the same playbook repeatedly
Eric admired that Branson went into well-established, easy-to-understand categories and simply put his twist on them
This inspired Eric to develop his own repeatable model for entrepreneurship in established categories

Step 2: Steal from faraway categories instead of competitors

Personal care and housewares as inspiration for Method[5:18]
He calls himself "a bit of a thief" who steals from as far away as possible, not from direct competitors
For Method, he borrowed from personal care: colors and fragrances that felt more like shampoos and lotions than harsh cleaners
He also stole from housewares, looking at beautiful vase shapes in department stores and adapting those into bottle forms
He wanted the products to look like "little objects of desire" sitting on the counter
Designing products as objects[12:47]
He says he designs everything like an object, especially in categories like soap that people "have to buy"
He wants to turn those into things people "want to buy" by making them visually desirable
He recounts seeing a Tokyo building with a "pillowed" texture and turning that façade into inspiration for a hand wash bottle design
The original Method bottle was based on a camping fuel bottle he found in Norway because they could not afford an industrial designer

Step 3: Target categories that are overcomplicated or too serious

Overcomplication as a sign of insecurity[8:05]
Eric believes if a category is unnecessarily complicated, the players are "probably hiding something" and there is insecurity there
His model includes entering categories that are overcomplicated and simplifying them for consumers
Adding playfulness to serious categories[8:12]
He loves categories that take themselves too seriously and brings an "inner child" approach to them
Method is framed as what a kid would use to clean the kitchen
OLLY got adults to take gummy vitamins at scale, which had not happened before for adults
Welly got adults to wear bandages with patterns and colors instead of flesh-tone strips meant to blend in

Travel, trend trips, and cross-pollinating ideas

Why travel is Eric's best source of ideas

Thinking better in motion and retail walks[10:16]
He says he thinks better when in motion, like walking retail with a cup of coffee, than sitting at a desk
Structure of trend trips[10:25]
He does "trend trips" where he brings designers and sometimes retailer partners
Goal is to spot ideas and immediately translate them into design ideas they can bring back
Benefits of being in a foreign country[10:37]
Jet lag means fewer people are bothering him, giving more uninterrupted thinking time
He says when jet lagged you "look at things a little bit more fuzzier" which opens up new creative pathways
Being in a place where the language and environment are foreign makes it easier to see patterns and reapply ideas from one category to another

Examples of ideas sourced from abroad

Early designer collaboration at Target[11:43]
He describes getting Orla Kiely, known for expensive handbags and patterns, to collaborate at Target
They brought her patterns to a product that sold for $3, which he says was the first time Target did a designer collaboration at that price point
He notes this was about 20 years ago, before collaborations were mainstream
Tokyo building turned into bottle design[11:53]
He cites a building in Tokyo with a pillowed exterior texture that became the inspiration for a hand wash bottle

The "what if this, but for that" creative question

Connecting far-apart dots[14:18]
Eric uses the question "what if this, but for that?" to connect ideas from distant domains
He believes the further apart the two dots are, the more powerful the potential idea if it works
Creative tension and familiar vs novel[15:20]
He calls the combination of two disparate ideas "creative tension"
Method is described as "eco-chic" combining high design and deep sustainability, two traditionally opposing ideas
Creative tension creates a deeper experience and brand loyalty
He looks for concepts at the intersection of familiar and novel: too familiar lacks differentiation, too novel feels foreign and hard to adopt

Balancing innovation and simplicity

Risks of over-innovation

Eric's failures from being too novel[16:51]
He says he has failed more by being too novel than by being too familiar
Example: they launched a 10x concentrated laundry detergent in a shampoo-sized bottle for 50 loads
The product used a pump that dispensed a pre-measured dose, inspired by a Japanese mouthwash bottle
Consumers struggled to believe something so small could be effective after being trained to associate big jugs with cleaning power

Change only one thing rule

Apparel rule of thumb applied broadly[18:07]
He cites a "golden rule" from apparel: if you change one thing from the core, you have a higher probability of success
If you change two or three things, you are more likely to fail because you are throwing too much change at the customer
He compares it to advertising: throw a consumer one egg and they can catch it; throw three eggs and they drop them
Applications beyond consumer products[19:21]
He believes the one-change rule applies in software and B2B as well because decision-makers are just as distracted
He references social media history (MySpace, Friendster) and notes it was the third iteration that got the model right through simpler iterations

Ego, overcomplication, and simplification

Entrepreneurial ego causing complexity[20:04]
Eric suggests many entrepreneurs overcomplicate offerings to justify valuations or their own specialness
He views the best entrepreneurs as those who take incredibly complex ideas and simplify them for consumers and teams
Simplification as a hack[20:04]
He calls the art of simplification the "biggest hack" in entrepreneurship

Case study: OLLY vitamins and reimagining the vitamin aisle

Observing consumer confusion and stress

Lost shoppers and uninspiring brands[22:59]
Eric visited the vitamin aisle for a Target project and saw people "stressing out" trying to choose something healthy
Shoppers even asked him random questions like "Do you know what magnesium's for?" because he was standing there studying the shelf
He describes the aisle as a "dog's breakfast" that was hard to shop, with uninspiring brands and terrible packaging
Missing macro trend: health as lifestyle[24:58]
For a Target initiative called Made to Matter, they sought brands connecting with millennial moms but found a gap in vitamins
Eric identified the missed shift as millennials viewing health and wellness as a lifestyle pursuit
He cites SoulCycle as a clue: it repositioned fitness into something almost spiritual with strong branding
Design decisions: square jar, white cap, benefit-led labels[26:05]
He wanted to design the package like a jar you would want to leave out so you'd remember to take it and it had intrinsic value
He noticed all packages in the aisle were round, so he chose a square jar to stand out
He decided to put a giant cap on the jar and make the cap itself the logo, with a white cap as an iconic element
Instead of selling ingredients like biotin or melatonin, OLLY sold simple benefits like "beauty" and "sleep" via unique blends

Execution, hustle, and building with energy

Energy as signal of the right concept

Working on ideas that give energy back[27:14]
Eric thinks about energy flow: if work on a concept gives him energy back, he sees that as a sign it's right
He references the idea "if it's hard, it's wrong" but notes he sometimes has to push "water uphill" for months until a concept "breaks" and starts to flow
He describes a current project where after six months of struggle, things suddenly clicked and insights started unlocking each other

Early selling of Method to local grocery stores

Cold pitching store managers[29:42]
He and cofounder Adam were two inexperienced guys in a dirty San Francisco flat with no knowledge of how to make or sell products
They had to sell into local San Francisco grocery stores where the store manager made the decisions
They would show up at 6 a.m. to catch "frumpy" managers and had about three minutes to pitch a premium cleaning brand
Sales as transfer of emotion[30:00]
Eric realized selling is largely a transfer of emotion
He thinks the managers did not initially believe in the product but had to believe in him and his persistence
Demonstrating that he would keep showing up until they said yes was part of the pitch
He emphasizes finding something in what you're building that you truly love so you can share that energy and endure hard times

Eric's philosophy on roles, leadership, and moving into investing

Artist vs operator framework

Balancing imagination with operational rigor[30:53]
Eric says at heart he is a "project guy" who loves the start, middle, and finish of creating something
His core philosophy for companies is "artists and operators": combining imagination and creativity with strong supply chain, finance, and predictable operations
He notes very few large companies like Apple and Nike do both art and operations really well at scale

Joining Greycroft and shifting toward coaching

New consumer brands fund[32:07]
Eric says he joined Greycroft and they are launching a new Greycroft consumer brands fund
He is moving into the VC space and sees his superpower as infusing energy into entrepreneurs because he has sat in their shoes
He enjoys being the coach on the sidelines instead of the quarterback on the field

Incubator model and difficulty hiring CEOs

Incubating ideas and hiring teams[1:16:51]
In recent startups he has used an incubator model: he creates the concept, pulls together the team and capital, and hires a CEO
Traits needed for startup leaders[1:17:37]
He says entrepreneurship is iterative, involving constant roadblocks and adjustments
He looks for personalities who can live in uncertainty, stay committed, and quickly adjust when things go wrong without panicking
He observes that highly accomplished people with linear careers (good grades, good college, good jobs) can struggle when startup reality is non-linear

24-hour trend-trip creative cycle with Target

Problem with typical trend trips

Ideas often die after the trip[32:40]
Eric notes that trend trips are common but people return with photos and then get buried in inboxes and meetings, so ideas usually go nowhere

Their high-speed process

Day structure and scavenger hunt[33:31]
They begin trips by grounding in macro trends and hire someone local in Asia or Europe
They visit the most influential retail and give everyone a "scavenger hunt" assignment to find ideas
By 5 p.m. at a pub, everyone must have multiple ideas they are excited about from the field
Overnight creative relay[33:48]
They discuss ideas over drinks, pick a few, and then Eric calls briefs into the creative team in San Francisco as they head to dinner
The SF team works all day on the brief (due to time zone difference) and sends concepts at the end of their day
The next morning at breakfast, they present what look like polished product ideas to Target
By the time they get on the plane home, they have already sold in new products

Live brainstorm: applying the model to new brand ideas

Idea 1: Modern fiber brand

Observations about the fiber category[37:19]
Host notes his mom takes fiber daily, while he hears about gut health and microbiome
He sees existing fiber brands like Metamucil and Benefiber as outdated and "grandma" products
He views fiber as familiar and trustworthy compared to novel supplements
Eric's assessment of white space[40:14]
Eric calls it "great white space" and says "fiber is the new protein"
He sees huge growth in high-fiber products and notes Costco fiber offerings are still legacy brands
He suggests stealing from juice bars: creating a wellness, appetite-appeal fiber product like a modern green juice with innovative flavors
He notes fiber is a great margin category
Brand positioning: lean in vs swerve out[42:02]
They discuss two angles: leaning into poop humor with a comedian spokesperson, or reframing around metabolism and digestion to avoid gross associations
Testing multiple concepts[43:36]
Eric recommends creating two very different concepts (e.g., "dude wipes"-style humorous brand and an elevated beauty-like brand)
He would develop both with designers, then first check which he is most excited about personally
He would share concepts with friends and family to gauge reactions and, if still torn, run "consumer auditions" (qualitative groups) to inform his own decision
He also would present to retailers not to sell but to "improve" the concepts by inviting their feedback

Idea 2: Reimagined American diner (SoulCycle of diners)

Cultural role and decline of diners[44:50]
Eric calls the American diner one of the most important yet "lost" institutions in America
He notes diners were the original third place before Starbucks, with silver exteriors and communal energy
He predicts backlash to AI will increase demand for places of human connection and deep authenticity
Concept: SoulCycle of diners[45:34]
His pitch is to create the SoulCycle of diners: extremely vibrant, optimistic, and focused on starting the day
It would open only from morning through lunch (one shift), which he calls a good economic model
Design and seating[46:05]
Interior would feel like a modern barn with white beadboard and yellow accents
There would be a standalone grab-and-go juice and coffee bar
Main restaurant seating is stool bar seating; the counter meanders so everyone sits around it and staff can move efficiently
He is inspired by a Parisian restaurant designed entirely as a counter and by sushi bars where counters wrap around
Time to fun (TTF) applied to diners[47:58]
Host shares the mobile gaming concept of TTF (time to fun) and suggests applying it to diners to reduce the wait before something enjoyable happens
Eric loves the TTF metric and wants to apply it broadly (e.g., restaurants, airlines)
They brainstorm offering free gourmet cinnamon "munchkins" and smoothie shots immediately as guests walk in to lower TTF and ease the perceived wait
Rituals and greeting[49:27]
They reference a sushi restaurant tradition where staff shout a greeting when someone enters
Eric imagines a playlist of the best morning music and a sound cue like "good morning" when each guest walks in

Eric's failed jewelry retail concept: Cast

Reinventing the American jewelry store[53:17]
Eric tried to build a retail business to "reinvent the American jewelry store"
He found traditional jewelry stores intimidating; customers felt they did not belong and had to ask for tiny price tags, then react to unexpectedly high prices
He observed women self-purchasing as a growth driver in fine jewelry, but stores were not designed for them
Cast brand concept and execution[54:03]
He created a brand called Cast and opened three stores in the Bay Area
He wanted "Pure Imagination" from Willy Wonka to play in customers' heads, making them feel like kids in a candy store
Issa Rae was involved with the team, and Cast jewelry appeared on White Lotus season two
He says they made a profound mark on the industry in a short time
Why the business failed[55:27]
The model required signing leases, building out stores, and omni-channel operations, making it very capital-intensive
They had an "incredible" partnership with Nordstrom, which invested capital, but raising further capital in the current market was extremely difficult
Gold prices were spiking while diamond prices were crashing, and LVMH was absorbing prime leases, making expansion harder
He says he spent three to four years from launch to shutting down and describes Cast as a plane made of gold that could not get lift because it was too heavy

Idea 3: Branded chicken and selling the farm story

Lack of beloved packaged chicken brands

Observation of commodity feel[57:51]
Host notes he cannot name favorite chicken brands in the packaged meat section and sees a lack of distinct branding

Eric's pivot: sell the farm, not the chicken

Brand based on origin story and animal welfare[59:13]
Eric suggests not selling the chicken per se but selling the farm as the brand's focus
He proposes portraying a "heavenly" farm for chickens so consumers feel the birds had a good, though short, life
He recommends building the whole brand around this farm, perhaps in a children's-book style with farmers as heroic figures
Altruism and narcissism framework[1:02:41]
Eric says he looks for the intersection of altruism and narcissism in brands
For Method, people bought for narcissistic reasons (fragrance, design) but stayed for altruistic reasons (good for them, good for the planet)
Applied to chicken, narcissism is high-quality, great-tasting, organic chicken, and altruism is feeling good about the chickens' quality of life
He suggests borrowing from children's books in branding to emphasize the magical farm narrative
Example of RFID-tracked free-range animals[1:01:33]
Host describes a friend building a system using RFID tags in cows and chickens to track how far they actually roam
Consumers would see data about the radius the animals traveled, clarifying whether "free range" claims are genuine

Idea 4: Gourmet snack cheeses and presentation for kids

Eric's idea: adult gourmet Babybel-style cheeses

Delta between artisanal counter cheese and packaged cheese[1:09:01]
Eric loves packaged cheeses like Kraft Singles and mozzarella sticks but notes packaged cheese hasn't changed much
He contrasts this with artisanal cheese counters, which he compares to wine in terms of romance and storytelling
Concept: gourmet cheese in wax single-serves[1:09:08]
He loves Babybel's wax-wrapped single-serve format and wants to use it for gourmet cheeses for adults
He envisions slightly larger pieces with different wax colors and flavor profiles, elevating Babybel's idea
He invites listeners interested in this cheese idea to reach out to him

Host's idea: cheese plus stampers for kids

Mother-in-law insight: change of presentation[1:11:54]
Host describes his mother-in-law's phrase "change of presentation" for getting kids to eat foods they initially reject
Examples include serving milk in tiny cap-sized cups as "shots" and stamping bread into shapes with cookie cutters
Cheese stamping concept[1:11:39]
He proposes selling cheese with included shape stampers, borrowing from Play-Doh cutters to let kids stamp cheese into fun shapes
Eric agrees with the underlying insight but questions the scalability of including toys with consumables

Brand naming and jumping-off words

Difficulty of naming

Constraints and ideals[1:03:55]
Eric calls naming a brand the most difficult part of a startup because "everything is taken"
He says the holy grail of naming is one word with four letters, though it's very hard to achieve

Method naming

Jumping-off word: technique[1:04:53]
For Method, he wanted a name representing technique, like using good form in the gym to get force
Cofounder Adam suggested "Method" while they were brushing their teeth; Eric immediately knew it was right
A lawyer said they would never get Method because it's generic, but Eric asked what he would do if the name was crucial, and the lawyer said he'd go for it

OLLY naming

Friendly vs pseudoscience naming[1:05:41]
Eric notes existing vitamin brands tended to have pseudoscience names (like Centrum) or folksy names (like Nature's Bounty)
He wanted a name that simply sounded friendly
Working with Alan Dye, they came up with "OLLY Slate" and later realized they could secure "OLLY" by itself, which they adopted

Welly and Cast naming

Welly[1:06:59]
For Welly, he initially wanted something around health care and came up with "Nightingale" as a concept
Partners at Partners & Spade suggested "Welly" and he immediately knew it was the right name
Cast[1:07:23]
They also quickly settled on "Cast" for the jewelry brand, with no debate
Across projects, once the right name appears he and the team pivot all efforts to securing it legally

Eric's long-term goals and life design

Planning the next phase of his career

Desire to keep building but not as CEO[1:16:02]
Eric says he is a planner and has a big-picture plan for his life
He loves building and creating and would be miserable if he were not doing that
However, he no longer wants to be a CEO dealing with capital-raising pressures and investor expectations
He wants to work across more projects: incubating new ideas with hired CEOs and working alongside them, and investing via Greycroft

Closing and contact

Invitation to pursue brainstormed ideas[1:16:51]
Eric invites anyone who loves the brainstormed ideas to reach out
Websites mentioned[1:17:11]
He mentions a site gobstop.com (spelled G-O-B-S-T-O-P.com) tied to the idea of creating "everlasting gobstoppers" of brands that refresh and stay on trend

Lessons Learned

Actionable insights and wisdom you can apply to your business, career, and personal life.

1

Look for big cultural or macro shifts that a category has missed, then build in the gap between where consumers are emotionally and where the products still are.

Reflection Questions:

  • What macro shifts in consumer behavior or values have you noticed in your own life that existing products around you don't seem to reflect yet?
  • How could you map a specific cultural trend (e.g., wellness, sustainability, convenience) against one category you know well to identify a mismatch?
  • This week, where could you spend 60 minutes observing real people shop or use products to spot a "sea of sameness" that feels out of sync with today?
2

Borrow solutions from faraway industries or geographies instead of your direct competitors, then combine disparate ideas to create creative tension that feels both familiar and novel.

Reflection Questions:

  • Which industries or countries operate in a completely different context from yours but solve similar underlying problems that you could study?
  • How might your current product or project change if you deliberately asked, "What if this thing from over there was applied here?" and followed that through?
  • What is one concrete step you could take this month (a trip, a store walk, a deep dive online) to expose yourself to "far away" ideas you can later remix?
3

Aim to change just one meaningful thing versus incumbents and ruthlessly simplify your message; overcomplicating offerings or value props usually reflects ego more than customer need.

Reflection Questions:

  • Where in your current product, pitch, or strategy are you trying to change two or three things at once instead of just one big lever?
  • How could you rewrite your main value proposition as if you were "throwing one egg"-a single clear change-rather than three different benefits at once?
  • What part of your offering could you strip away or postpone so customers only need to understand and adopt one new behavior or idea at a time?
4

Treat execution as a transfer of emotion: your conviction and energy about an idea must be palpable enough that buyers and partners believe in you before they believe in the product.

Reflection Questions:

  • When you describe your current project to someone new, does your tone and body language convey genuine excitement, or does it feel flat and tentative?
  • How could you adjust your sales or fundraising conversations so that you're not just explaining features but clearly transmitting why this matters to you personally?
  • What specific ritual or practice could you add before important meetings to reconnect with what you love about your idea so that energy shows up in the room?
5

Use structured exploration-like trend trips and fast creative cycles-to compress the time from inspiration to tangible concepts while momentum and emotion are still high.

Reflection Questions:

  • Where in your process do good ideas currently die because too much time passes between inspiration and making something concrete?
  • How might you design a 24-48 hour "sprint" format for yourself or your team that forces you to turn raw observations into mockups or prototypes quickly?
  • What upcoming trip, event, or block of time could you pre-plan as an intentional scouting mission with a clear brief, capture method, and rapid follow-up?
6

Be honest about your own career energy: you can keep creating and building while changing your role-from quarterback to coach-if you deliberately design around your strengths and stage of life.

Reflection Questions:

  • Which parts of your work currently give you energy and which parts consistently drain you, even when things are going well?
  • How could you redesign your role over the next 12-24 months to spend more time in the "project start and design" phases and less in the parts you no longer want to own?
  • Who might be a complementary operator or leader you could bring in, and what would you need to change (equity, governance, expectations) to make that partnership work?

Episode Summary - Notes by Drew

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