Midnight Ghost Shows with Chelsey Weber-Smith

with Chelsea Weber-Smith

Published October 14, 2025
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About This Episode

Host Sarah Marshall and guest Chelsea Weber-Smith explore the forgotten history of American "midnight ghost shows" or "midnight spook shows"-live theatrical seance‑magic‑horror shows that ran in movie theaters from the 1930s to the 1960s. They trace how these shows evolved from spiritualist seances into campy, gore‑filled spectacles aimed at teenagers, centered on elaborate stage tricks and a chaotic blackout sequence where anything could "happen" in the dark. The conversation also connects ghost shows to later horror culture, including William Castle gimmicks, haunted houses, and the participatory cult around The Rocky Horror Picture Show.

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Quick Takeaways

  • Midnight ghost shows were late‑night live stage spectacles in movie theaters that blended seance tricks, stage magic, and horror films, popular from the 1930s through the 1960s.
  • These shows evolved out of spiritualist seances, repackaging once‑serious paranormal performance as openly campy, vaudevillian entertainment.
  • A signature feature was the "blackout"-a few minutes of total darkness filled with screams, sound effects, and tactile gags like noodles, water sprays, and luminous ghosts flying overhead.
  • Over time the shows shifted from ghostly seance themes toward increasingly bloody, monster‑driven gore aimed at thrill‑seeking teenagers.
  • Rising television, drive‑in theaters, suburbanization, and increasingly rowdy teen audiences contributed to the ghost shows' decline by the early 1970s.
  • The spirit of ghost shows lived on in William Castle's in‑theater gimmicks, local late‑night horror hosts, haunted houses, and the participatory culture around The Rocky Horror Picture Show.
  • Ghost shows relied heavily on audience participation and suggestion-selecting volunteers, planting stooges, and letting the crowd scare itself in the dark.
  • The conversation highlights how communal fear experiences can be cathartic, campy, and socially revealing, reflecting cultural anxieties of their eras.

Podcast Notes

Theatrical introduction and setup of the midnight ghost show theme

Dr. Schlock persona and framing of the episode

Chelsey appears as "Dr. Schlock," Ghost Master of the Evening, addressing the audience as mortals at a ghoulish night of phantoms and monsters[0:01]
She describes a "hellish parade of otherworldly horrors" and introduces herself as known to the uninitiated as Chelsea Webber-Smith
Sarah Marshall introduced as assistant and in‑episode victim[0:32]
Dr. Schlock calls Sarah her "beautiful assistant" who will endure "unspeakable terrors" for the audience's entertainment
Concept of midnight ghost shows introduced[0:57]
Chelsea-as-Dr.-Schlock announces an "informative look at the history of Midnight Ghost Shows" as campy, ghostly, gory performances from the 1930s to the 1960s that accompanied horror movies in theaters
Midnight ghost shows are described as a combination of a spiritualist seance and a stationary haunted house
Warning about fake violence and haunted theater framing[1:18]
Listeners are warned the show contains descriptions of "hella fake violence" and are invited into "Dr. Schlock's Camp of the Damned" inside the You're Wrong About Theater
Transition into main discussion promise[4:06]
Chelsea, as Dr. Schlock, promises to take listeners on a "strange journey" into the haunted, historical heart of the midnight ghost show and hints that anything can happen when the lights go dark

Hosts greet each other and define the topic

Sarah reorients from American Hysteria bit to You're Wrong About

Sarah jokes that they accidentally started in "American Hysteria" mode and then corrects to "Welcome to You're Wrong About"[4:59]
She notes that she and Chelsea talk about goblins, ghouls, and ghosts so often that the line between their shows blurs, and says "my house is your house and your house is my house"

Guest introduction: who is Chelsea Weber-Smith?

Chelsea states her name and describes her podcast[5:46]
Chelsea says, "my name is Chelsea Weber-Smith" and that she hosts American Hysteria, a podcast that covers many similar things to You're Wrong About
Chelsea's horror and paranormal interests[5:56]
She identifies as a massive horror fan and massive paranormal fan, especially of "drag of the paranormal" and haunted houses
Chelsea frames the day's topic as combining everything she and Sarah love: horror, the paranormal, drag, and haunted attractions

Prior collaborations on ghosts and faking ghosts

Sarah recalls earlier episodes and live shows about paranormal entertainment[7:00]
They mention having talked about Houdini on American Hysteria and the Cottingley fairies on You're Wrong About, and having done a "paranormal Christmas show" and a live variety show called "A Massive Seance"
Sarah asks how performing ghost entertainment shaped Chelsea's research[7:10]
Sarah notes that Chelsea not only talks about ghost entertainment through American Hysteria and live shows, but also creates it, and asks how that affected her approach to researching ghost shows
Chelsea compares their live show to historic ghost shows[7:00]
Chelsea says discovering this forgotten piece of horror history was fun because it so closely mimicked what they did together live, as if they "channeled" something that already existed
She attributes the similarity to their shared love of camp, drag, and the vaudeville spirit, and notes they staged an exorcism for her set to Fleetwood Mac

Defining midnight ghost shows and their place in horror history

Clarifying the title "ghost shows" and non‑cultural‑analysis focus

Episode will focus on experiential description more than sociological analysis[8:19]
Chelsea says that unlike her usual detailed sociological histories, today she mainly wants to take listeners "to the ghost show" and describe what it was like, not deeply analyze its cultural significance

What were midnight ghost (spook) shows?

Terminology and format[10:05]
Chelsea explains they were called "midnight ghost shows" and also "midnight spook shows"-late‑night stage shows that almost always accompanied horror movies in theaters
The shows either led into a horror movie or followed one as a closing act, making them a paired experience rather than stand‑alone performances
Geography and era[10:40]
Chelsea emphasizes ghost shows were a very American art form, touring big cities and small towns, with some later spread abroad such as to Mexico
They ran roughly from the early 1930s to the late 1960s, overlapping fully with the era of talking pictures and Universal horror films
Hybrid nature of ghost shows[11:12]
Chelsea describes them as a combination of a spiritualist seance, a magic show, and a stationary haunted house, presented in a vaudeville style
She notes they were a massive craze, especially among teenagers, with overflow crowds and a riotous atmosphere outside theaters

Two main eras: seance-centric and gore-centric shows

Early seance-focused phase[15:00]
From the early 1930s to early 1940s shows were very focused on seances, ghosts, and the paranormal, adapting spiritualist tropes to open entertainment
Later horror/gore-focused phase[15:15]
From the 1940s into the 1950s and 1960s, ghost shows shifted toward horror, gore, and "a bloody crazy night" with more monsters and graphic stunts

Origins: Spiritualist seances and their transformation into entertainment

Brief history of spiritualism

Context: telegraph, Civil War, and mass grief[21:55]
Sarah summarizes that the spiritualist movement is linked to new communication technologies like the telegraph and the post-Civil War period when many people had lost loved ones in traumatic ways
Spiritualism involved beliefs about Summerland as an afterlife and a huge cultural/religious movement centered on mediums and seances for contacting the dead
Ecstatic experience and mediumship[22:19]
Sarah notes parallels with charismatic Christianity's search for ecstatic experience and says seances became spaces both to contact the dead and to enjoy transgressive experiences like mediums being socially allowed to kiss sitters because they were "possessed"

Parlor tricks and seance spectacle

What happened in a seance room[24:13]
Chelsea explains mediums used parlor tricks-floating tables, floating objects, entities touching sitters-to make the seance feel convincingly paranormal
She notes this visual image of a Victorian‑style seance is what most people think of: dim parlor, people around a table, mysterious movements and sounds
Automatic writing and trance states[25:53]
Sarah references automatic writing as depicted in films like "The Changeling" and "The Others," where someone moves their hand while a spirit supposedly writes, and notes that even without the supernatural, trance states can enable expression outside conscious control

Decline of spiritualism and move to overt entertainment

From religious movement to stage act[27:08]
Chelsea says spiritualism began in the mid‑1800s and lasted as a major movement until the 1920s; over time the religious aspect faded and the entertainment aspect of seances rose
Houdini's debunking and political impact[27:40]
By the 1920s, mediums still claiming real powers were being publicly debunked by figures like Harry Houdini, including in congressional hearings where he spoke against spiritualists
Sarah observes that some people respond to facts and debunking while many remain "immune" to facts, and notes spiritualist fraud plus changing social structures likely shifted seances toward stage performances
Ghost shows as pop‑culturalization of seances[29:44]
Chelsea characterizes midnight ghost shows as seances turned fully into pop culture entertainment, taking the tricks and moving them to a theater stage with everyone "in on the joke"
She notes that late spiritualist seances were already being held on stages, which set the precedent for theater‑based ghost entertainment

Cinematic and economic context for ghost shows

Universal monster movies and Depression‑era audiences

Horror films as backdrop[31:01]
Chelsea points out that in the early 1930s, Universal monster movies like "Frankenstein" and "Dracula" were becoming popular as people endured economic devastation
She notes horror movies provided cheap entertainment people still paid for even in hard times, alongside bars and other low‑cost diversions

Magicians repurposed as "ghost masters"

Doctor and guru personas[32:30]
Many ghost show performers were magicians who adopted mad scientist doctor personas-"Dr. Dracula", "Dr. Satan"-borrowing from figures like Dr. Frankenstein
Others used a problematic "Indian guru" archetype, reflecting fascination with and appropriation of Indian stage magic, which was considered superior to American stage magic

Early ghost shows: names, posters, and format

Colorful titles and doctor branding

Examples of show titles[34:04]
Chelsea lists titles such as "Dr. Silky Knees, Asylum of Horrors," "Dr. Dracula's Den of Living Nightmares," "Ray Mon's Zombie Jamboree," "Dr. Satan's Shrieks in the Night," and "Dr. Banshee's Chasm of Spasms"
Sarah notes the abundance of "doctors" and jokes about what kind of doctor Dr. Satan could be, highlighting the mad scientist aesthetic

Elwin and the first midnight spook party

Elwin Charles Peck and his show[37:58]
Chelsea says it's widely believed that magician Elwin Charles Peck (stage name "El-Wyn") created the first midnight ghost show, "El-Wyn's Midnight Spook Party," beginning in 1929
Analysis of an El-Wyn poster[38:42]
Sarah reads a promotional poster promising spooks, shivers, thrills, table‑raising, spirit slate writing, wrappings, talking skulls, and ghosts that "sometimes leave the stage, come into the audience and sit with you"
The poster emphasizes it's a separate midnight show with its own admission, warns "no children's tickets sold. It's too scary," and urges people to "make up a spook party" because if you come alone you'll be afraid to walk home

Typical structure of an early seance-style ghost show

Movie plus stage show combination

Horror film as opener or closer[39:58]
Chelsea explains that a ghost show performance usually began or ended with a horror movie-often a schlocky B‑movie like "The Vampire Bat"-giving audiences an "after horror glow" before the live tricks

Entrance of the ghost master and initial seance tricks

Stage entrance and claims about theater ghosts[41:07]
The host, or "ghost master," might make a dramatic entrance-sometimes emerging from a giant spider prop that spat out a ball of flame-and deliver a monologue about the theater being home to many ghosts that might appear that night
Spirit cabinet, floating objects, and skulls[42:06]
Chelsea mentions the "spirit cabinet"-a cabinet that opened seemingly by a paranormal hand, from which ghostly phenomena emerged, echoing seance traditions
Tricks included a handkerchief flying off the ghost master's hand and floating, spirit slates that mysteriously gained chalk messages, and a skull placed on a bench that answered yes/no questions by clacking its jaws

Audience participation and stooges

Volunteers and suggestion[43:35]
Audience members were brought onstage to assist with tricks like slate writing; sometimes they were planted stooges, other times genuine volunteers who were quietly cued or motivated by the desire to entertain the crowd
Chelsea compares the dynamic to a stage hypnotist at a state fair, where social pressure and the wish to perform keep volunteers going along with the act
Shadow-strip gag with clothes flying off[44:45]
One gag involved a man tied by the wrists to posts behind a backlit screen; his silhouette appeared not to move as his jacket, vest, and shirt flew off and floated, echoing an Austin Powers-style shadow joke

The blackout: centerpiece of the ghost show

Build‑up to the blackout

Threats and suggestions before lights go out[49:39]
Before cutting the lights, the ghost master delivered a suggestive speech warning that cold clammy hands might clutch you, worms and spiders might fall from the ceiling, and that you must not turn around if something crawls up your leg

Total darkness and sensory overload

Absolute blackout of the theater[49:13]
At the blackout, every light in the theater-including exit signs if possible-was extinguished to create total, pitch‑black darkness lasting a few minutes
Soundscapes and crowd noise[50:37]
As soon as darkness fell, pre‑recorded tapes, music boxes, thunder sounds, wolf howls, screams, moans, and evil laughter blasted, while audience members also screamed and played tricks on each other
Chelsea notes ghost masters liked that people in the audience would tap friends' shoulders or grab ankles in the dark, adding to the chaos

Physical gags during the blackout

Throwing objects to mimic worms and spiders[51:31]
Performers threw popcorn kernels, rice, and wet strings into the audience to simulate worms and bugs falling from the ceiling, confirming the ghost master's warnings
Water guns were used to spray the crowd so it felt like strange substances or rain hitting them in the dark
Dragging mop strings and fake spiderwebs across faces[54:50]
Chelsea describes a gag where long poles with ropes and wet mop strings were dragged across the audience's faces, or silk thread was used while the crowd was told they were spiderwebs
Sarah says she would scream at feeling spiderwebs on her face, and Chelsea notes everyone was screaming during these sequences

Use of flash bulbs and luminous paint

Flash bursts to charge glow effects[54:15]
A bright flash bulb would go off from the stage, momentarily blinding the audience and simultaneously charging luminous paint-often phosphorus and sometimes radium-on props
Glowing balloons, cheesecloth ghosts, and costumes[55:47]
Luminous paint was applied to balloons with faces that dropped into the crowd, cheesecloth ghosts on poles that were run over the audience, and to performers' costumes so glowing figures moved through the darkness
Children as surprise glowing "ghosts"[57:20]
Chelsea quotes a man recalling how, as a boy, he and other kids were given greasy phosphorus on their faces and hands before the show and scattered in the audience
When the blackout and flash occurred, the kids glowed in the dark; audience members reacted in shock and the boy realized he was one of the "ghosts" sitting among them, waving his glowing hands and saying "boo"
This trick was later discontinued because frightened patrons sometimes punched the glowing children in the face in reflexive fear

Floating skull and luminous prop routines

Shy floating skull gag[43:50]
Chelsea describes a favorite gag where a skull floated out between the stage curtains toward the ghost master; when he turned, it flew back as if shy, repeating several times before hovering mid‑stage
Eventually the ghost master would open his hand and the skull would shoot rapidly toward the other side of the stage, a simple but delightful illusion

Shift toward horror, gore, and teenage audiences

Teenagers as primary audience and demand for stronger thrills

Postwar youth culture and attention span[1:02:48]
By the 1940s, teenagers-with shorter attention spans and a desire for more intense transgression-became the main audience, pushing shows away from subtle seance illusions toward explicit horror and gore
Chelsea notes rowdy teen audiences sometimes trashed theaters when they felt the show didn't deliver enough horror, foreshadowing later incidents of disruptive theater behavior

Representative horror set pieces

Gorilla dismemberment of a woman[1:05:02]
In one recurring skit, a scantily clad woman was chased by a man in a gorilla suit, fainted, and was carried to a table where the gorilla ripped off her arms and legs and threw the limbs into the audience, with blood soaking a sheet
"Jungle voodoo" transformation to skeleton[1:08:42]
In a problematic skit called "Jungle Voodoo," a woman in a leopard‑skin costume danced to drums, was trapped in a net by safari hunters, hoisted up, struck by "lightning," and when the net dropped she had vanished, leaving only a skeleton
Hunchback buzzsaw decapitation[1:10:26]
Another routine had a hunchback hypnotizing a (likely stooge) woman, laying her on a wooden table, and using a full‑sized buzzsaw to apparently cut off her head, with blood pouring and the ghost master running through the audience holding the severed head aloft
The ghost master would run along armrests, into the lobby and balcony, then return to the stage and proclaim, "now ladies and gentlemen, someone is about to die. It could be you," immediately triggering the blackout
Dual‑body Satan vs. woman seduction dance[1:15:33]
Chelsea recounts a set piece where a woman playing a corpse on a couch is revealed, via lighting, to be half glamorous woman and half Satan along a vertical split; she performs a dance that suggests the satanic half seducing the human half
Another woman kneels, trying to pull the human half back, while the Satan half tears off a black dress to reveal a scantily clad body, followed by a blackout and chaos

Integration of classic movie monsters and legal issues

Frankenstein, Dracula, and teen "victims"[1:16:33]
Shows began using recognizable characters like Frankenstein's creation and Dracula in staged scenes where, for example, Frankenstein assembled onstage under a sheet, rose, and then selected a teenage boy from the audience to decapitate on a table
In those scenes, blood spurted and the monster (or ghost master) again ran into the audience with a severed head, then plunged the theater into a blackout
Universal Studios cease‑and‑desist and compromise[1:19:29]
Universal Studios eventually sent a cease‑and‑desist to ghost master Dr. Silkini for using their monsters; an agreement was reached where he and others would promote Universal's new films and pay a small fee
Universal horror actors on ghost show tours[1:20:47]
As horror film roles declined for some actors, Universal stars like Bela Lugosi and Glenn Strange toured with ghost shows as special guests, adding celebrity appeal

Decline of ghost shows and transition to TV, drive‑ins, and Rocky Horror

Market saturation, rowdiness, and changing media

Copycats and vandalism[1:20:55]
Chelsea notes the ghost show market became saturated with cheap imitators, while audiences grew rowdier-throwing objects, breaking screens, and in one case a teenager detonated a homemade bomb under a seat, injuring a girl's leg with shrapnel
Suburbanization and television[1:22:25]
After World War II, suburbanization and the rise of television meant people increasingly stayed home for entertainment, and TV began offering horror content like "Alfred Hitchcock Presents"
Local TV horror hosts and late‑night packages[1:23:11]
Chelsea mentions Screen Gems' "Shock Theater" package of Universal classics and notes that former ghost masters like Dr. Evil became late‑night horror movie hosts, joined by figures like Vampira in local markets

Drive‑in theaters and degraded stagecraft

Ghost shows at drive‑ins[1:24:36]
With teenagers driving cars, drive‑ins (nicknamed "passion pits") became popular; ghost shows adapted by performing on makeshift stages in front of screens, on flatbed trucks, or atop concession stands
Effects had to be simpler-limited by lighting and distance-reducing elaborate blackout illusions and making routines more about guillotines, head‑chopping tricks, and monster appearances near the front rows

Publicity stunts and giveaway gimmicks

Street protests by "ghosts" and parades[1:27:19]
For publicity, ghost show operators had local kids dress as ghosts protesting outside theaters with signs like "the ghost master is unfair to ghosts," or staged street parades with horse‑drawn hearses, limousines, and marching bands singing "It ain't no sin to take off your skin and dance around in your bones"
Coffin press conferences and lobby tableaus[1:27:59]
Ghost masters sometimes held press conferences from coffins for photo ops, and local stores displayed coffins and signs in their windows; theaters decorated lobbies with skeletons, fake graves, grass, and flowers
Giveaways: masks, faint pills, and ID bracelets[1:30:52]
Audiences received cardboard skull masks with elastic bands, "faint pills" (candy to take if you had a heart attack), "faint checks" promising free admission if you fainted, and faint passes with name and address to get you home or to a hospital
Other premiums included optical illusion cards, ID bracelets branded to the show, rubber shrunken heads, spiders, snakes, and other small toys that encouraged collecting and repeat attendance

Rocky Horror Picture Show as spiritual successor

1975 film's initial failure and midnight revival[1:34:43]
Chelsea notes that "The Rocky Horror Picture Show" (1975) initially tanked at the U.S. box office but found success when theaters began showing it at midnight, directly echoing the ghost show tradition of late‑night horror events
Audience participation and in‑theater gimmicks[1:35:36]
Rocky Horror screenings adopted interactive gimmicks similar to ghost shows: audiences threw rice during the wedding, used newspapers and water guns for the rain scene, and shouted call‑and‑response lines, transforming the film into a participatory event
Chelsea points out that Rocky Horror embodies the same campy, comedic, and drag‑inflected horror energy that animated midnight ghost shows, preserving their communal, ecstatic spirit

Influence on haunted houses and contemporary Halloween

Ghost shows as ancestors of modern haunted attractions[1:37:01]
Chelsea suggests ghost shows and stationary haunted houses developed together, feeding each other's ideas; by the 1970s, walk‑through haunted houses incorporated many ghost show-style illusions and scare tactics
She notes that much of what we experience at Halloween-haunted houses, midnight movies, interactive horror events-owes a debt to the innovations of midnight ghost shows

Reflections on fear, camp, and communal experience

Communal screaming and catharsis

Value of screaming together in safe settings[1:37:56]
Sarah argues that people need opportunities to scream in groups-like haunted houses or ghost shows-for emotional release, and that communal fear can be intensely cathartic

Performance, id, and social subtext

Violence, gender, and monsters as disowned impulses[1:09:59]
Sarah notes how often women are dismembered or victimized in ghost show skits and monster movies, and suggests that monstrous figures may represent desires and impulses mainstream culture is trying to disown
Chelsea acknowledges there's rich material for sociological and political analysis-e.g., postwar brutality reflected in increasingly violent shows-but frames this episode as focusing on the experiential side

Closing thoughts and mutual appreciation

Chelsea's gratitude and connection to their live show[1:40:07]
Chelsea says learning about ghost shows was incredibly fun because so many aspects-the blackout, audience interaction, camp-paralleled what she and Sarah did in their own live "massive seance" show, even though they arrived at them independently
Recommendation of Chelsea's work and Halloween content[1:41:14]
Sarah praises American Hysteria for its immersive, theatrical audio ghost‑mastering and mentions that some episodes, such as an alien abduction series she heard in a cabin, genuinely scared her into sleeping with the lights on
Encouragement to seek more Halloween scares[1:41:14]
They close by wishing listeners a creepy time and encouraging them to scream in public as much as they dream, tying back to the spirit of midnight ghost shows as joyful, communal fright spectacles

Lessons Learned

Actionable insights and wisdom you can apply to your business, career, and personal life.

1

Shared, theatrical fear experiences can be a powerful form of catharsis and community-building, turning individual anxieties into a collective, playful release.

Reflection Questions:

  • When was the last time you experienced fear or tension in a group setting that felt oddly relieving afterward?
  • How could you intentionally create a safe, communal experience-through movies, games, or live events-that lets people around you "scream it out" together?
  • What is one situation in your life right now where gathering others to share the experience might transform it from isolating to energizing?
2

Entertainment forms evolve with technology and culture, but the underlying human desires they serve-like wanting to be thrilled, to laugh at the macabre, or to play with the unknown-tend to stay constant.

Reflection Questions:

  • Looking at your own media habits, what core emotional needs (thrill, comfort, validation, escape) do they consistently satisfy?
  • How might recognizing the timeless need behind a new trend help you innovate in your own work instead of just chasing formats?
  • Where in your career or hobbies could you take an old format you love and adapt it for modern tools or platforms while preserving its emotional core?
3

Context and suggestion powerfully shape perception; by controlling environment-lighting, sound, framing-you can guide how people interpret the same underlying reality.

Reflection Questions:

  • In what situations do you currently rely on facts alone, without considering the setting or mood in which those facts are delivered?
  • How could you adjust the "stagecraft" of an upcoming presentation, meeting, or conversation (lighting, timing, sequence, language) to better support the outcome you want?
  • Where in your life do you notice yourself being influenced by framing and atmosphere, and how might that awareness help you make more deliberate choices?
4

Reframing once-serious beliefs or practices as acknowledged performance can preserve their emotional resonance while reducing harm from deception or exploitation.

Reflection Questions:

  • Are there traditions or beliefs in your background that could be more honest and healthier if treated as symbolic ritual or theater rather than literal truth?
  • How might you redesign a practice in your organization or family-keeping the meaningful parts while dropping the pretense that no longer serves people?
  • Where could naming something as "play" or "performance" make it safer and more enjoyable for everyone involved, without losing its impact?
5

Studying older, even obscure cultural forms can give you a deep well of creative raw material to remix, rather than trying to invent everything from scratch.

Reflection Questions:

  • What niche or forgotten corners of history, art, or pop culture genuinely fascinate you but that you haven't explored in depth yet?
  • How could you borrow structural elements from a historical format you admire (like pacing, audience participation, or gimmicks) and adapt them to a current project?
  • What concrete step could you take this month-a book to read, archive to browse, or person to interview-to mine the past for ideas you can transform into something new?

Episode Summary - Notes by Casey

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