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The Tony Robbins Podcast

The AI Race: Why the Future of Power Is at Stake with U.S. Energy Secretary, Chris Wright

with Chris Wright

Published November 7, 2025
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About This Episode

Tony Robbins and co-host Christopher Zook interview U.S. Secretary of Energy Chris Wright about the current and future state of American energy. Wright discusses the shift from "energy subtraction" to "energy addition," the role of entrepreneurs and deregulation in expanding electricity capacity, and the need to win the global AI race by rapidly growing U.S. power generation. He also covers nuclear power, fusion, quantum computing, natural gas, coal, and where he sees major investment and innovation opportunities in the energy sector.

Topics Covered

Artificial intelligence Quantum computing Entrepreneurship Energy policy and regulation Nuclear power Natural gas Fusion energy Electricity grid U.S.-China competition Coal power

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Quick Takeaways

  • Wright argues the U.S. must dramatically expand affordable, reliable electricity generation to maintain leadership in AI and prevent China from becoming the dominant military and technological power.
  • He distinguishes between past "energy subtraction" policies and his push for "energy addition," emphasizing that the real goal is massively more energy to lift living standards and support new technologies.
  • U.S. natural gas and oil production have surged over the last 20 years due to private-sector innovation, turning the country from a major importer into the world's largest exporter of natural gas and largest producer of oil.
  • The electricity sector is heavily constrained by regulation and permitting, and Wright is focused on regulatory reform to speed new power plants, data centers, and other large energy-consuming projects.
  • Wright sees a coming nuclear renaissance with inherently safer, smaller reactors and expects electrons from next-generation nuclear on the U.S. grid in roughly 5-10 years.
  • He believes fusion-generated electricity will absolutely be available in Americans' lifetimes and that AI is accelerating breakthroughs in fusion and materials science.
  • Wright is building public-private partnerships with firms like NVIDIA, Oracle, AMD, and HPE to rapidly deploy cutting-edge computing at national labs and share capacity for science and national security.
  • He views coal as still critical for U.S. and global electricity, expects its continued use and export, and highlights natural gas as the dominant near-term growth driver for U.S. power.
  • Wright anticipates major opportunities in reshoring energy-intensive manufacturing to the U.S. due to America's strong energy cost advantage over China.
  • His definition of success includes a durable cultural and policy shift toward energy realism, energy addition, and bipartisan acceptance that abundant energy is an essential enabler of human flourishing.

Podcast Notes

Opening, context, and stakes of the energy and AI race

Tony Robbins introduces the podcast and frames the global competition

Tony opens the Holy Grail of Investing podcast and sets an urgent tone about energy and AI[0:00]
• He states he loves a world where America is the preeminent power and says maintaining that requires U.S. leadership in AI.
• He emphasizes that AI leadership demands sufficient electricity, warning that the U.S. cannot lead in AI without enough power.
Tony contrasts a U.S.-led world with a hypothetical China-led world[0:20]
• He asks listeners to imagine a world where China is the preeminent military power and says he does not want to know what that world is like.
• He underscores the importance of winning the AI race as part of maintaining U.S. dominance.

Hosts introduce location and topic focus

Tony and Christopher Zook situate the conversation in Washington, D.C.[1:16]
• Tony notes they are at the nation's capital because "energy is the topic."
• He comments that energy affects everything about quality of life, and adds that today energy also means intelligence via AI.
They link energy to the AI race against China[1:38]
• Tony calls the AI race the most important race in the world and says the U.S. must beat China to remain the superpower it has been.
• He notes fears about energy scarcity and says they brought in a top-level guest to address these issues.

Introduction of Chris Wright and his mandate as Secretary of Energy

Chris Wright is introduced and his task is framed

Tony introduces Chris Wright as the Secretary of Energy and a dear friend[1:46]
• Tony says Wright has been given a "giant task": to deliver U.S. energy dominance, which the President calls the "golden age of energy dominance" for America again.
Tony asks about opportunities in energy from Wright's vantage point[2:10]
• He acknowledges challenges like being behind China and asks Wright, in his unique position, what the greatest current opportunities in energy are that people may not be aware of.

Wright outlines two big opportunity themes: realism and scientific breakthroughs

Opportunity 1: Bringing realism back to energy policy[2:16]
• Wright says there is a need to bring "realism" back to energy, noting that politics, tradition, and myth have sent policy in the wrong direction.
• He characterizes the last administration as pursuing "energy subtraction"-trying to remove big energy sources and grow small ones-arguing the math does not work.
• He insists the real goal must be "more energy, massively more energy" in the U.S. and around the world, emphasizing affordable, reliable, secure energy as the road to a better lifestyle.
Opportunity 2: Leveraging the Department of Energy's national labs[3:01]
• Wright highlights the Department of Energy's 17 national labs as "gems of our country" and major producers of physical sciences Nobel Prizes.
• He says we are on the cusp of massive scientific breakthroughs and mentions three huge efforts: artificial intelligence, quantum computing, and fusion energy.
• He notes quantum computing exists at small scale but would be game-changing if scaled, and says fusion energy is making massive progress thanks to AI and advances in materials science.
• He predicts we will see pathways to commercial fusion energy in the next few years and describes this period as an age of scientific discovery.
Wright describes his own enthusiasm for the role[3:46]
• He calls himself a "science geek turned tech nerd" and says being in this position feels like being a kid in a candy shop.

Chris Wright's background, influences, and entrepreneurial journey

Wright's nontraditional profile as Energy Secretary and bipartisan approval

Tony emphasizes Wright's entrepreneurial and bipartisan credentials[4:21]
• Tony notes Wright was approved with seven Democrats and one independent supporting him and says people often assume such a role is held by a bureaucrat, but Wright is an "incredible entrepreneur."
• He mentions Wright built some of the most successful companies in the energy sector, including one of the largest fracking companies, and references a story about Wright drinking fracking fluid on camera to show it was not dangerous.

Wright's early fascination with science and fusion

Childhood interests and love of physics[4:55]
• Wright says he grew up in suburban Denver, loving sports and the outdoors, but he and his brother were unusually drawn to science.
• He recalls being fascinated by stars, learning they were quadrillions of miles away yet visible to the naked eye, which led him to wonder what powered them.
• This curiosity led him, by around age 14, to find books on fusion and become interested in fusion energy, the solar system, and gravity.
High school exposure to energy scarcity predictions[5:34]
• In high school, a professor from the University of Colorado Boulder spoke to his class about a coming catastrophe: running out of energy around the year 2005.
• The professor predicted industrial civilization would decline and mass starvation would occur, which was grim for Wright as an optimistic 15-year-old around 1980.
• This talk made Wright decide he wanted to work on energy problems, particularly fusion, and he resolved as a teenager to go to college to work on fusion energy.

Key personal and intellectual influences on Wright

Family and historical role models[6:25]
• Wright says his mother was his original inspiration, urging him to aim high and take action because "you only live once."
• He cites George Washington as a major inspiration for humble, mission-focused leadership, emphasizing Washington's willingness to relinquish power and return to his farm.
Economic and intellectual influences[7:04]
• Wright mentions Warren Buffett as an influence for mission focus and plain-spoken honesty.
• He cites economist Milton Friedman for explaining how freedom and markets work and what drives human behavior.
• He also names Tony Robbins as an inspiration for articulateness, passion, optimism, and a "believe it and you can do it" attitude.

Entrepreneurial path from MIT to building major energy companies

Discovering he preferred entrepreneurship to big science[8:54]
• Wright went to MIT to work on fusion energy but realized he lacked the patience for big science, even though he thinks it is important.
• He says he likes people, interactions, and seeing things happen, noting that he prefers making things happen rather than waiting.
• His first indoor job at a bigger company showed him a comfortable but unexciting environment, which pushed him toward entrepreneurship.
Learning from early team experiences[9:24]
• Wright describes working on a nine-person team developing a new device where two people delivered most of the final product.
• He internalized a business model: if you had a full team of people like the two top performers, you could achieve tremendous results.
• After age 19, he says he essentially never had a traditional boss again and has been an entrepreneur his whole career.
Building technology and shale companies, including Liberty Energy[10:06]
• He started in tiny companies with partners, learning basic entrepreneurial lessons by "diving in the water" and figuring it out.
• He moved from technology into energy applications, helping build early shale gas and shale oil production companies.
• He notes Liberty Energy, which he led, fracks about 20% of all wells drilled in the U.S. and Canada.
Challenging industry assumptions with fracture mapping technology[10:00]
• Wright's team first developed models of how subsurface fractures grow and he publicly promoted their superiority over others' models.
• They then created technologies to see actual fluid motion and fracture growth underground, which showed their prior models were wrong.
• He explains that many people thought fractures behaved a certain way; his team corrected them in the opposite direction, but real data showed the true answer differed even more than their correction.
• This unexpected insight led to ideas that, when tried by Mitchell Energy, produced the first commercial gas from shale on the third attempt, which eventually transformed the world energy situation.
Founding shale companies and spreading the shale revolution[11:53]
• After the Mitchell Energy success, Wright followed the shale revolution entrepreneurially, first with enabling technologies and then by founding a shale gas production company, Stroud Energy, in the Barnett Shale.
• Following a sabbatical where he did bike racing and coached his kids' teams, he helped bring the shale revolution to oil in North Dakota's Bakken Shale, which then spread more broadly.

Becoming Secretary of Energy and philosophy of public service

From suing the government to joining it

Wright was actively opposing federal climate disclosure rules before appointment[12:32]
• He says Liberty Energy was suing the federal government over a climate disclosure rule that, in his view, was designed to make it harder to produce oil and gas.
• He argued to the prior administration that such rules don't reduce demand but increase production risk, raising prices and benefiting producers while hurting the 99% of Americans who only consume oil and gas.
Meeting Donald Trump and being asked to be Energy Secretary[13:13]
• Wright was invited to a dinner at Mar-a-Lago with 15-16 energy executives and met President Trump there about 18 months before this conversation.
• He describes Trump's private style at that meeting as mostly listening: during a two-hour-and-15-minute session, Trump spoke for about 15 minutes and spent the rest asking detailed follow-up questions.
• Midway through, Trump told the group Wright should be Energy Secretary and asked who agreed; at the end, he personally asked Wright if he would take the job.
• Wright says he immediately said yes, framing it as a duty to serve his country rather than something to weigh against lifestyle or income sacrifices.

View of the role: removing obstacles, not directing business

Responding to skepticism about taking a government job[14:46]
• Wright notes people often tell him they can't believe he accepted the role, but he says he could not have respected himself if he declined such an opportunity as a passionate energy advocate.
• He acknowledges the personal costs-moving away from his mother, grandchild, and kids, and reduced income-but calls the job a true honor.
His self-described mission: remove obstacles and let businesses thrive[15:19]
• Wright summarizes his job as removing obstacles so businesses can flourish, rather than telling them what to do or centrally planning outcomes.
• He says capitalists want to build and make things happen, and the government's role is to create rule of law, security, and an enabling environment.

U.S. energy landscape, AI race with China, and electricity constraints

Wright's perspective on U.S. vs China in the AI and electricity race

Quantifying the electricity gap with China[14:51]
• Tony cites figures that China's electricity generation is around 11,300 terawatt-hours while the U.S. is about 4,200, roughly a third.
• He asks what Wright sees that others do not, making him confident the U.S. can win the AI and electricity "war," and references the removal of regulations.

Rise of U.S. oil and gas production due to private-sector innovation

From major importer to top producer and exporter[16:13]
• Wright recounts that 20 years ago, the U.S. was the largest importer of natural gas and by far the largest importer of oil.
• He contrasts that with China then roughly balancing its energy production and consumption, supported by major oil and coal fields.
• Due to the shale revolution, he says the U.S. is now by far the world's largest exporter of natural gas, with production doubled while the rig count dropped from 1,200 to 115-about a 90% rig decline and halved gas prices.
• He notes the U.S. is now also by far the world's largest oil producer, about 50% ahead of the next country.
Attributing success to entrepreneurship and markets[16:56]
• Wright credits this transformation to capitalism, dynamism, and markets, emphasizing private capital and entrepreneurs.
• He notes most U.S. oil and gas are produced on private and state lands, with the federal government having been obstructive, and says there is still opportunity on federal lands.

Contrast between dynamic hydrocarbons and constrained electricity sector

Heavy regulation limits electricity growth[17:09]
• Wright says the electricity sector has heavy government regulation, very difficult permitting, and slow bureaucracy.
• He observes that, unlike oil and gas, U.S. electricity production has not skyrocketed; industries with high electricity needs often went overseas.
• He argues the U.S. must transform this system, and describes President Trump as determined to remove "nonsense" and bring back common sense, similar to what drove the gas and oil revolutions.

Regulatory reform, permitting, and enabling big energy users and producers

Simplifying FERC processes for data centers and generation

Previously disjointed and slow interconnection and load approvals[18:21]
• Wright explains that before reforms, a large load like a data center had to file a complex, lengthy process to secure power, and separately file a long process if they wanted to bring their own generation.
• These were two separate, years-long processes designed for a different era.
New approach: one filing and faster evaluation[19:21]
• He says the new law and FERC direction allow a single filing for both large load and large generation, evaluated together and more quickly.
• He frames this as one example among many changes across DOE, EPA, and Interior to work as one team to make it easier to develop energy resources and build large energy-consuming assets like data centers and manufacturing.

Philosophy: government should not pick winners, but enable builders

Refusing to dictate what private actors must build[19:39]
• Wright says businesses often come to him asking what the administration wants them to build, and he replies that, as a capitalist, he will not tell them what to build.
• He instead asks what their investors and customers want and how he can help them build that in the U.S.
Permitting certainty and intergovernmental cooperation[20:27]
• He notes companies fear not only federal but also state-level obstacles, so both federal and state governments must create a welcoming environment for large projects.
• He highlights that states are now competing to attract energy-intensive investments, which he sees as positive for bringing back blue-collar jobs and opportunities across America.

AI, supercomputing partnerships, and national security

NVIDIA, Dell, and the "next Manhattan Project" analogy

Jensen Huang's GPU vision and AI takeoff[24:50]
• Wright recalls that when he went to college over 40 years ago, people already talked about AI, but computers then could not process enough data or make judgmental decisions effectively.
• He praises NVIDIA's Jensen Huang for rethinking computing around GPUs, initially for video games, and relentlessly pursuing that architecture, which became key to today's AI breakthroughs.

AI as a transformative force in medicine, energy, environment, and defense

AI's potential to revolutionize health, fusion, and environmental quality[25:45]
• Wright predicts AI will help turn many currently fatal cancers into manageable conditions within the next several years, not decades.
• He believes AI will help harness fusion energy, improve materials, and find ways to make air cleaner and lakes better while improving efficiency.
Historical analogy: Manhattan Project and nuclear preeminence[26:16]
• Wright calls the original Manhattan Project perhaps the greatest group scientific endeavor ever, noting that in 28 months the U.S. developed the atomic bomb and prematurely ended World War II.
• He stresses that Nazi Germany had an atomic program and originally split the atom, and invites listeners to imagine a world where Nazi Germany won the atomic race.
• He argues that American nuclear preeminence has reduced the risk of violent death during listeners' lifetimes because such weapons are so terrifying no one wants to use them.

Electricity as the limiting factor in AI leadership vs China

Linking China's rapid power growth to AI and military risk[27:56]
• Wright warns that if China continues its rapid electricity growth while the U.S. continues making power generation difficult, the U.S. could not lead in AI.
• He says the U.S. should lead in AI because of its scientists and dynamism, but emphasizes that leadership is impossible without massive growth in electricity production.
• He describes a world where China is the preeminent military and technology power as one he does not want to see, reiterating his preference for an America-led world that has enabled global thriving.

Public-private supercomputing partnerships at national labs

New DOE model: let private companies build, share compute with labs

The Doudna supercomputer as a precursor[29:15]
• Wright mentions a prior press conference at Lawrence Berkeley Lab where they announced the Doudna supercomputer, named after Jennifer Doudna, Nobel laureate for CRISPR.
• That machine focuses on speeding medical discovery, understanding dark matter, and basic cosmology, and was planned under a more traditional model.
New AI-era strategy: partner with industry for speed and scale[29:30]
• Wright says that in the AI race, DOE recognized that capital and innovation speed reside mostly in the private sector, so they invited companies to propose ideas leveraging the 17 national labs' land, scientists, and permitting advantages.
• He reports receiving about 500 responses and highlights two: one with AMD and Hewlett Packard Enterprise at Oak Ridge, and another with NVIDIA and Oracle at a national lab in Oregon.
• At Oak Ridge, he says they will have in six months a machine with three times the compute of the top existing system, achieved through a partnership rather than traditional government procurement.
• Under this model, companies build and run the machines for their own use while sharing a meaningful portion of compute with DOE for science and national security.

Nuclear power: past stagnation, new designs, and timelines

History and advantages of nuclear power

Rapid early build-out then decades of stagnation[31:23]
• Wright notes commercial nuclear power began in the mid-1950s and within about 20 years the U.S. had 100 reactors and nearly 20% of electricity from nuclear.
• Incidents like Three Mile Island and rising political fear led to nuclear being "smothered" and not growing for decades.
• He calls nuclear an energy-dense source that works regardless of sun or wind, needing little land and fuel to generate enormous energy.

Next-generation reactor designs and inherent safety

Design changes from active to passive safety[32:54]
• Wright explains older reactors required active cooling; at Three Mile Island active systems struggled, and at Fukushima, flooded backup generators led to a meltdown, though he says no meaningful radiation was released in either case.
• He says new-generation reactors are inherently safe because if everything goes wrong they automatically turn off; operators must actively keep them on, not shut them down.
• He expects new reactors to be smaller, faster to build, and eventually benefit from manufacturing scale to drive down costs.

Timelines: test reactors, shovels in the ground, and grid electrons

DOE test reactors at Idaho and early deployments[34:07]
• Wright predicts electrons from next-generation reactors on the grid in about 5-10 years, while expressing a wish it could be 1-2 years.
• He says, due to President Trump, DOE will have one next-generation reactor critical within 12 months at Idaho National Lab, under DOE authority, with NRC and commercial observers present.
• He expects 10 or more such test reactors going critical in the next 18-24 months, with shovels in the ground on grid-bound reactors within 12 months and grid contributions around 5-7 years out.

Short-term electricity supply, grid constraints, and coal's role

Leveraging natural gas and existing assets for near-term capacity

Natural gas as primary near-term growth source[35:06]
• Wright says natural gas is currently the largest source of U.S. electricity and the cheapest way to provide dispatchable, reliable power.
• He notes the U.S. has abundant shale gas and can massively ramp up electricity generation in the short term via gas.
Getting more from existing plants and backup generators[35:23]
• He proposes uprating existing plants-small investments that can produce about 10% more output from existing capacity.
• He suggests using backup natural gas or diesel generators at data centers and facilities not only for outages but also during tight electricity markets to prevent blackouts and increase peak capacity.

Grid realities: peak capacity vs total electrons

Why adding intermittent renewables does not solve peak constraints[36:06]
• Wright argues that adding wind at night in Iowa does not necessarily help overall capacity; it simply forces gas plants to burn less at that moment.
• He stresses there is no "swimming pool" of electrons in the grid; what matters is the ability to supply power at peak demand times, because the grid must work all the time.

Reversing planned plant closures and gigawatt math

Inherited plan to remove dispatchable capacity[37:18]
• Wright says that when they arrived, FERC and resource plans called for shutting down 100 gigawatts of firm generating capacity before end of life, while only adding 20-22 gigawatts of new capacity, a net subtraction of about 78 gigawatts.
• He estimates the U.S. needs roughly 100 gigawatts of additional capacity in the next five years (considering data centers and reshored manufacturing), so they must reverse course by about 178 gigawatts (cancelling closures and adding new capacity).
Coal's continued importance in the U.S. and globally[38:39]
• Wright states that globally, for every year from 1900 to the present, coal has been the largest source of electricity and will remain so for decades.
• He says global coal demand hit a record last year, is expected to break that record this year, and has been setting records year after year.
• In the U.S., coal provides about 16% of generating capacity and output roughly equal to wind and solar combined, but crucially it is available at peak demand.
• He argues the U.S. should keep its coal plants open and enable coal mining to expand exports to allies whose coal demand is growing.

Investment and innovation opportunities across the energy system

U.S. energy cost advantage and reshoring of industry

Comparative advantages vs China[41:55]
• Wright says the U.S. has very cheap pipeline-delivered natural gas and huge resources, giving it a large energy cost advantage over China.
• He notes China has advantages in labor cost and regulation, but the U.S. has more dynamic and innovative society and better domestic energy resources.
Energy-intensive manufacturing returning to the U.S.[42:29]
• Wright predicts semiconductor manufacturing, steel, aluminum, and other energy-intensive industries will come back to the U.S. because of energy cost advantages, now that permitting constraints are being addressed.

Specific opportunity areas: nuclear, gas power, oil, and gas-for-diesel substitution

Nuclear renaissance[42:57]
• Wright says he truly believes we are at the start of a nuclear renaissance, with the industry hitting critical mass and growing hugely, backed by significant private capital and innovation.
Natural gas power plants and efficiency innovation[43:06]
• He predicts natural gas power will likely remain the fastest-growing U.S. electricity source for the foreseeable future and sees large opportunities in plant technologies and thermal efficiencies.
Oil's enduring role and natural gas displacing diesel[44:17]
• Wright notes oil is still the world's largest primary energy source and will remain so for listeners' lifetimes, given its high flexibility for transport and materials uses, despite being more expensive than gas.
• He cites long-haul trucking as an area where diesel will eventually be displaced by cheaper, cleaner natural gas, offering lower pollutants and greenhouse gases.
• He mentions his former company Liberty Energy is shifting frack trucks from diesel to natural gas because engines last longer, fuel is cheaper, and emissions are cleaner.

Other innovation fronts: storage, solar, and the "killer app" for energy

Storage and solar technology improvements[44:47]
• Wright points to ongoing innovation in energy storage and solar technology, noting that solar's main challenge remains intermittency and its dependence on affordable storage.
AI as the new killer app for energy[46:11]
• He calls AI the new "killer app" for energy, with robotics likely to follow, and notes that AI will also help optimize energy use and drive new innovations.

Fusion energy, competition with other sources, and hydrocarbon future

Virtuous cycle between AI and fusion

AI accelerating fusion breakthroughs and vice versa[46:36]
• Wright recounts speaking at an AI-fusion seminar and arguing that after 50+ years of work, fusion is now closer because AI provides extra horsepower to control a burning plasma.
• He says successful fusion will in turn enable a massive new source of electricity, further powering AI, forming a virtuous cycle.

Availability of fusion-generated electricity in our lifetimes

Clear affirmation on fusion timeline[47:02]
• When asked whether fusion electricity will be available in U.S. lifetimes, Wright answers "Absolutely" and repeats the assertion emphatically.

Multiple fusion approaches and cost-competition with other energy sources

Different fusion methods in development[47:43]
• Wright notes DOE's National Ignition Facility achieved net energy gain in a fusion pellet three years prior, using inertial confinement with lasers.
• He mentions magnetic confinement fusion (usually tokamaks) and electromagnetic inertial fusion as additional pathways.
Economics of fusion vs fission and other technologies[48:14]
• He argues that fuel cost is only a portion of electricity costs; in natural gas power plants, fuel is roughly one-third of cost, with machinery and grid infrastructure being more important.
• He points out that wind and solar need large, material-intensive machines and extensive land and transmission, making them costlier in hardware per unit energy than natural gas plants.
• For fusion, he says fuel will be cheap and the main question is engineering machines that harness fusion economically, and how that will compete with fission plants and other generators.
• He anticipates competition between fusion and fission will drive down costs, and over generations they are likely to become runaway low-cost winners.

Persistent need for hydrocarbons even in a fusion-rich world

Hydrocarbons as materials and storage, not just fuel[49:40]
• Wright stresses that even with abundant fusion and fission, the modern world cannot function without hydrocarbons for materials like clothes, plastics, and energy storage systems.
• He notes we already have enormous buried hydrocarbons but adds that with abundant energy, we can also synthesize hydrocarbons as needed.

Quantum computing's trajectory and integration with AI

Current limitations and energy intensity of quantum systems

Cooling demands as a chokepoint[50:07]
• Wright acknowledges that many quantum computing approaches today require cooling devices near absolute zero, which is very energy-intensive.
• He notes there are multiple ways to harness quantum behavior and it is unclear which will win commercially.

Timelines and goals for meaningful-scale quantum computing

DOE leadership and aims within the current administration[51:08]
• Wright says his undersecretary for science, Dario Gil, formerly headed IBM Research and specializes in quantum computing.
• He states their dream is to have quantum computing at meaningful scale as part of the computing ecosystem within the current administration's remaining roughly three and a quarter years.
Scaling from hundreds to thousands of qubits and error correction[52:30]
• He notes present systems may have around 100 qubits, and that moving to thousands or tens of thousands of qubits will be very meaningful for certain calculations and simulations.
• He explains that some tasks will always be better on classical computers, while others suit quantum, and highlights error correction as a key challenge because disturbing quantum states introduces errors.
• Wright expects that in three to four years, they will be able to point to calculations and machines enabled by AI plus quantum, implying substantial progress in that timeframe.

Wright's vision of success and cultural shift on energy

Defining success at the end of his term

Specific technical and economic goals[54:08]
• Wright says success means the U.S. has a huge lead in AI that is transforming society when he leaves office, including faster drug discovery, more efficient energy production, and higher productivity and economic growth.
• He wants fusion to be at the engineering stage-focused on building machines for different approaches-and quantum computing integrated into the computing ecosystem.
Changing how people think about energy and climate[55:20]
• He hopes for a broad belief that energy is the ultimate asset and enabler of human lives, and a majority mindset of "energy addition" rather than "energy subtraction."
• He calls climate change real but "not even close" to the world's biggest problem, highlighting that around 2 billion people lack clean cooking fuels and millions die from indoor air pollution.
• He wants people to judge energy choices by two criteria: how they improve human lives and whether the math works-meaning affordability and reliability.

Pursuing durable, bipartisan reforms and common-sense energy realism

Common sense as contagious and bipartisan[55:39]
• Wright says he has had incredible dialogues with Democratic governors and legislators who agree on the need to win in AI and expand energy, suggesting openness across party lines.
• He believes people are beginning to talk about energy as what it truly is: infrastructure for human society, not a political bogeyman.
Desire for lasting reforms that cannot be easily reversed[56:01]
• He says President Trump will make a "crazy amount" of things happen, but Wright wants to prevent an easy snap-back to energy fear and subtraction in three and a half years.
• He aims for bipartisan permitting and legislative reforms and, more broadly, a mindset change toward massively more affordable, reliable, secure energy as essential to America's and the world's future.

Closing mutual appreciation

Hosts' reactions to Wright's outlook

Tony and Christopher express confidence and gratitude[57:01]
• Tony says this has been an incredibly stimulating conversation and that he has not previously sat down with anyone to talk about energy in this way.
• He says seeing the depth, breadth, and passion of the person running U.S. energy should make viewers feel incredible about the future.
• Wright responds that he's happy to be among "kindred spirits" and appreciates the time with two entrepreneurs and innovators.

Lessons Learned

Actionable insights and wisdom you can apply to your business, career, and personal life.

1

Policy and strategy around energy should be driven by math and reality-what reliably and affordably improves human lives-rather than by ideology or fear-driven "energy subtraction."

Reflection Questions:

  • • Where in your own work or life are you letting ideological preferences override hard numbers about what actually works?
  • • How could you more systematically evaluate options using concrete metrics like reliability, cost, and impact instead of narratives or assumptions?
  • • What is one current decision you're facing where you could pause and explicitly ask, "What does the math say about the best option here?"
2

Removing constraints and simplifying rules often unleashes more innovation than trying to centrally plan what others should build or do.

Reflection Questions:

  • • In what areas of your team or organization are people slowed down more by process and approval than by actual technical limits?
  • • How might your results change if you focused less on prescribing solutions and more on clearing bottlenecks for capable people?
  • • What is one policy, rule, or habit you could remove or simplify this month that would immediately give your best contributors more room to execute?
3

Strategic advantage comes from building the enabling infrastructure before it is urgently needed-whether that's electricity for AI, capital for growth, or skills for future opportunities.

Reflection Questions:

  • • What critical infrastructure (skills, relationships, systems, or capital) will you likely need in three to five years that you haven't started building yet?
  • • How could you reframe current investments in "plumbing" or back-end capabilities as essential preparation for future breakthroughs?
  • • What is one foundational capability you can start developing this quarter so that you're not constrained when a big opportunity appears?
4

Public-private partnerships can dramatically accelerate progress when each side focuses on its strength: government enabling and de-risking, and entrepreneurs moving fast and innovating.

Reflection Questions:

  • • Where could you partner with others who have complementary strengths instead of trying to own every part of a project yourself?
  • • How might clarifying roles-who removes obstacles and who builds-improve the speed and clarity of your current collaborations?
  • • What high-impact goal you have right now would move faster if you deliberately sought out partners with capital, expertise, or permissions you don't have?
5

Saying yes to high-stakes responsibility when called-despite personal sacrifice-can put you in unique positions to shape outcomes at scale.

Reflection Questions:

  • • When have you recently been offered a chance to take on more responsibility and hesitated mainly because of comfort or convenience?
  • • How would your decisions change if you evaluated big opportunities through the lens of long-term impact rather than short-term lifestyle costs?
  • • What is one "stretch" role or project you could commit to in the next year that would significantly expand your ability to contribute beyond your current circle?

Episode Summary - Notes by Peyton

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