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The Joe Rogan Experience

#2416 - Dan Farah

with Dan Farah

Published November 21, 2025
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About This Episode

Joe Rogan talks with filmmaker Ben about his documentary "The Age of Disclosure," which focuses on UAPs/UFOs and testimony from government, military, and intelligence officials. They discuss alleged crash retrieval and reverse-engineering programs, non-human craft and beings, nuclear and oceanic UAP activity, and a secret high-stakes technology race with China and Russia. The conversation also explores government secrecy, the need for amnesty and whistleblower protections, remote viewing programs, and the personal risks taken by those trying to bring this information to the public.

Topics Covered

UFOs UAP Crash retrieval programs Reverse-engineering technology Government secrecy Defense contractors Nuclear weapons Non-human intelligence Remote viewing Roswell incident

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Quick Takeaways

  • Ben says multiple senior government, military, and intelligence officials have independently told him that the U.S. has recovered dozens of non-human craft since the 1940s and has attempted to reverse engineer them.
  • Senators like Marco Rubio and Mike Rounds, as well as former DNI James Clapper, explicitly voice concern about a secret high-stakes technology race with China and Russia to exploit non-human technology.
  • Witnesses in the film describe seeing craft the size of a football field over Vandenberg Air Force Base, as well as underwater objects tracked at extreme speeds with no visible propulsion or disturbance.
  • Scientists such as Hal Puthoff and Eric Davis, according to Ben, believe these craft work by warping space-time in a localized bubble, which could explain transmedium travel, extreme maneuverability, and blurry imagery.
  • Overclassification, compartmentalization, and fear of legal exposure for lying to Congress are described as key reasons why programs remain hidden and why scientific progress is hindered.
  • Ben and Joe argue that meaningful disclosure likely requires a form of amnesty and much stronger whistleblower protections so people involved in legacy programs can safely reveal what they know.
  • Stories are shared of alleged close encounters with non-human beings, including telepathic communication and contact events at Holloman Air Force Base, as well as biological effects like cancer and directed-energy-style injuries.
  • Remote viewing programs such as Stargate, led by Hal Puthoff, are presented as real intelligence tools that produced actionable results, and some individuals reportedly gained or heightened remote viewing abilities after UAP encounters.
  • Ben describes extensive behind-the-scenes support from Senate committee staff and officials who see public awareness as urgent, alongside intimidation tactics like surveillance helicopters and stigma campaigns.
  • The episode concludes with details on the release of "The Age of Disclosure" on Prime Video and in select theaters, with Ben planning follow-up projects on UAPs and remote viewing.

Podcast Notes

Introduction and Ben's Documentary "The Age of Disclosure"

Joe introduces Ben and the film

Joe explains how he first encountered Ben through the documentary[0:17]
• Joe says the first time he saw Ben was when he watched "The Age of Disclosure" and thought it was excellent
Joe frames the film as a powerful piece on UFOs/UAPs[0:15]
• He says if you're a UFO enthusiast who oscillates between thinking it's all bullshit and thinking it's real, the documentary will firmly land you in the "something is going on, but I don't know what" camp
Joe praises how the documentary handles secrecy and programs[1:00]
• He notes it shows high-level government employees talking about special access programs and back-engineering efforts running in secrecy for decades

Why secrecy is so entrenched

Joe lays out the legal and political stakes of disclosure[0:21]
• He emphasizes that lying to Congress and misappropriating funds for black programs are clear felonies
• He notes that officials have lied to Congress, the public, and sitting presidents about these programs
Joe points out likely financial corruption in black programs[0:52]
• He argues that if people have access to enormous unaccountable budgets, some of that money "has to" have gone into private pockets improperly

Early Influences and Ben's Motivation for the Film

Ben's childhood fascination with UFOs

Cultural influences that sparked curiosity[3:06]
• Ben grew up in the 1980s and early 1990s on movies and shows like "E.T.", "Close Encounters of the Third Kind", "The X-Files", and "Fire in the Sky"
Impact of "Fire in the Sky" and Travis Walton[3:19]
• Joe recalls that "Fire in the Sky" gave him nightmares and says the Travis Walton interview he did was fascinating

Desire for a specific type of documentary

Ben explains the core idea behind "The Age of Disclosure"[4:12]
• He always wished for a documentary that only interviewed people with direct knowledge of UAPs because of their government work
• He says everyone in his film fits that criterion of having direct knowledge via government roles

Disinformation Fears and Multiple Independent Witnesses

Joe's concern about planted whistleblowers

Question of deliberate disinformation agents[4:12]
• Joe says his main fear with whistleblowers is how many might be tasked by the government to spread disinformation and mislead the public

Ben's reasoning for trusting the pattern of testimony

Diverse backgrounds but same story[4:48]
• Ben says he stopped worrying as much about deliberate plants when he met many intelligence, government, and military officials with different ideologies and politics who were unconnected yet said the same things
Why a coordinated hoax seems implausible to him[5:36]
• He argues the alternative is that 34 people from different parties and agencies randomly coordinated a multi-year lie just to appear in his movie, which he finds senseless and without clear motive
Joe's counter-scenario: controlled narrative[5:31]
• Joe suggests another possibility: the phenomenon is real, but these people might be guided to push a particular narrative that keeps the full truth obscured

Government Leaders' Concerns and Testimony in the Film

Senator Rubio's fears about the tech race

Rubio's urgency about non-human tech[6:21]
• Ben quotes Rubio's fear that if the U.S. does not take the issue seriously, we may "wake up one day" and discover China got there first in reverse engineering and "we will be screwed"
Emotional weight of Rubio's comments[6:03]
• Ben recalls sitting very close to Rubio during the interview and seeing his chin buckle as he spoke, interpreting it as genuine concern

Testimony of Senators Rounds and Gillibrand and James Clapper

James Clapper's first public UAP statements[6:54]
• Ben notes that former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, who also led Air Force intelligence, had never publicly spoken about UAPs before agreeing to be interviewed
• Clapper told Ben he did the interview because he felt it was important and that people needed to know
Clapper's specific on-record revelations[7:11]
• Ben says Clapper states on the record that UAP activity over Area 51 is real and that the Air Force had a program to investigate such phenomena despite public claims that nothing had existed since Project Blue Book
Context of Clapper's personal sacrifice[7:27]
• Ben reveals Clapper's wife was in the hospital dying, and Clapper left her bedside to do the interview, insisting it was important

Question of what cannot be lawfully disclosed

Ben reflects on the limits of legal disclosure[7:53]
• He notes that even what they can legally say already includes an 80-year coverup of non-human intelligent life and a secret tech race with adversaries, and he wonders how much more exists beyond that legal line

Witness Accounts of Craft, Beings, and Bases

Jay Stratton and others' direct experiences

Jay Stratton's reported encounters[10:08]
• Ben says Jay Stratton, who ran the U.S. government's UAP Task Force and co-founded OSAP, has personally seen non-human craft and non-human beings in situations he partly cannot yet discuss
Multiple witnesses to non-human beings[10:21]
• Ben confirms he talked to more than one person who claims to have seen non-human beings, and they described them as very similar to the entities in "Close Encounters of the Third Kind"

Vandenberg Air Force Base incident

Security guard's story of a massive craft[11:12]
• An Air Force security guard from Vandenberg, never previously public, told Ben he and five other security members saw a giant UAP the size of a football field silently hover over the base and then shoot off at thousands of miles per hour
• The incident was officially reported; Ben obtained and shows the Air Force police report in the film
Questions about withheld footage[12:12]
• Joe says Vandenberg surely has tight security and asks if there is footage; Ben says the witness believes security camera footage exists but has never seen it
• Joe argues that high-resolution security footage of such events could clear things up but is not being released

Ryan Graves and additional Vandenberg sightings

Red UFO and aggressive behavior reports[13:07]
• Joe reads about Ryan Graves describing a big red UFO over Vandenberg in 2003 followed by later sightings that same day, including objects approaching security guards at rapid speeds before darting away
• Ben adds that another large craft appeared that night in the event covered in his film, matching the "Close Encounters"-like behavior

Impact on witnesses' lives

Vandenberg witness describes life-changing effect[15:19]
• At a New York City premiere on the Intrepid, the Vandenberg witness told the audience that the experience changed his life and how he looks at everything

Nuclear Weapons, Monitoring, and Crash Retrieval

UAP focus on nuclear and military sites

Leaders' concern about nuclear monitoring[15:51]
• Ben notes that many leaders in his film are troubled that most UAP activity clusters around nuclear weapons sites, military bases, and defense capabilities
Terrence McKenna "territorial apes" framing[16:10]
• Joe cites Terrence McKenna describing humans as "territorial apes with nuclear weapons" and says our combination of advanced tech and primitive aggression would concern any intelligent observers

Ben's claim of extensive crash retrieval efforts

Scale of recovery and reverse-engineering programs[19:14]
• Ben says he has been "completely convinced" by multiple high-ranking sources that the U.S. has recovered dozens of crashed craft of non-human origin since the 1940s
• He adds that there has been some success in reverse engineering elements of this technology in the U.S., China, and Russia, and that insiders call it "the atomic race on steroids"
Named defense contractors allegedly involved[19:31]
• Ben says people like Jay Stratton, Lou Elizondo, and Senate Intelligence Committee staff told him companies such as Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, Raytheon, and Battelle are involved in these programs

How some crashes allegedly occurred

Accidental vs. induced crashes[22:24]
• Ben says sources told him some crashes were simple accidents, but others were caused by human actions, including nuclear and atomic weapon testing
High-altitude nuclear tests as a capture tactic[23:00]
• He says early on, officials realized that atomic testing, especially high-altitude tests in the 1950s, had ripple effects that could "down" UAPs
• He claims that once this was discovered, such tests were sometimes conducted deliberately to bring down craft, and Russia later did the same
Moral and strategic risks of this approach[23:35]
• Ben points out it risks provoking nuclear conflict with other nations who might misinterpret the tests, and it amounts to picking a fight with a superior species

Oceans, Undersea Activity, and USO Reports

Evidence and testimony about oceanic UAP

Undersea craft tracked by submarines[24:09]
• Ben says admirals and submarine commanders have told him that giant football-field-sized craft similar to those seen over Vandenberg have been observed under the ocean moving at extreme speeds
Fast-moving USOs and the Abyss comparison[24:26]
• Joe mentions a story of an underwater object the size of a football field traveling at 500 knots with no ripples, and Ben jokes that maybe James Cameron's "The Abyss" is closer to reality than thought
Congressman Andre Carson's statement[24:42]
• Ben says Congressman Andre Carson, on the House Intelligence Committee, calls UAP coming out of the ocean "otherworldly things" that are not man-made aircraft or rockets

Special forces ocean recovery story

SEAL team encounter with a larger craft[26:05]
• Ben recounts a special forces recovery in which a team tried to hook a line to a submerged craft when a huge functioning craft emerged nearby, leading the helicopter to pull out and leave a SEAL in the water
• He says the SEAL watched the large craft take the smaller object and go back down, and was terrified while waiting in the water to be recovered

Reverse Engineering Physics and Space-Time Bubble Theory

Arguments that Tic Tac and similar craft are not human

Energy requirements of Tic Tac maneuvers[30:21]
• Ben cites a scientist in his film who calculated that the energy needed for the Tic Tac craft to move from sea level to 80,000 feet repeatedly and hover would equal the electrical output of the entire United States for at least a week
Why he doubts Tic Tac is U.S. technology[30:30]
• He argues that if such a revolutionary energy source had been developed by 2004, one would expect to see it used to transform the economy or field superior craft more visibly, which has not happened

Multiple species and body types

Variety of non-human bodies allegedly recovered[31:49]
• Ben says people with visibility into crash retrieval programs have told him that non-human bodies recovered from different craft "all look different" and that at least four distinct body types have been reported
Mentions of greys, Nordics, reptilians, mantis, and small robotic beings[33:03]
• Joe lists common lore categories like greys, Nordics/tall whites, reptilians, and mantis/insect-like beings; Ben says no one has used the term "reptilian" with him but some have described small ET-like beings that seem more robotic or non-sentient

Space-time warping and warp bubble explanation

Hal Puthoff and Eric Davis's model[35:36]
• Ben says Hal Puthoff and Eric Davis, scientists tied to government UAP programs, believe these craft work by creating a localized warp bubble that distorts space-time around the craft
• In this model, the craft is separated from the outside environment, allowing frictionless transmedium travel and extreme maneuvers without conventional aerodynamic limits
Possible energy sources: zero-point or quantum entanglement[37:15]
• Ben says two main ideas have been discussed: tapping into zero-point energy (theorized but not harnessed by humans) or using quantum entanglement to pull energy from a distant source into the bubble
Explaining blurry imagery and radar problems[37:59]
• Hal, according to Ben, says taking a photo of a UAP is like photographing through a warped medium: you're shooting through the bubble's altered space-time, akin to photographing fish from above water, which yields distortion
• Similarly, radar energy goes around the bubble rather than bouncing directly back, which can explain tracking difficulties
Craft bigger on the inside[41:41]
• Ben says Hal uses the warp bubble concept to explain reports where a craft appears small externally (e.g., 40 feet) but seems the size of a football field inside because inside and outside are different space-time environments

Program Structure, Overclassification, and CIA Control

Overclassification and blocked collaboration

Attempt to move a craft from Lockheed to UAP Task Force[41:08]
• Ben says Jay Stratton tried to move a recovered craft from Lockheed Martin into the UAP Task Force's custody so the task force could put more scientists on it
• A hangar on a military base was prepared for the craft, but the CIA's head of science and technology shut down the transfer mid-process, and the Lockheed leader involved died about two years later

Roles of different agencies and contractors

Legacy program architecture[44:56]
• Ben describes the legacy crash-retrieval/reverse-engineering program as involving elements of the Air Force, Department of Energy, CIA, and defense contractors, with CIA acting as the operational "quarterback"
• He says the Air Force handles field recovery, the Department of Energy controls classification and has radiation expertise, contractors do engineering, and the CIA coordinates operations
Scale compared to the Manhattan Project[46:06]
• Ben says everyone who knows the details describes it as a much bigger program than people suspect, likening it to the Manhattan Project on steroids with thousands of people involved over 80 years

Need for Disclosure, Amnesty, and Political Dynamics

Amnesty and whistleblower protections

Why amnesty might be necessary[50:33]
• Joe argues that without some form of national security amnesty for those who lied to Congress or misappropriated funds, people controlling these programs have no incentive to come forward and will instead behave like criminals protecting themselves
Rubio's stated priorities[54:10]
• Ben quotes Rubio saying his goal isn't to punish people but to learn what they discovered, since taxpayers funded the programs and need to know the results
Call for stronger whistleblower protections[55:18]
• Ben says current whistleblower protections are inadequate, and people he spoke to-including special forces personnel-backed out because they believed they would be forfeiting their lives if they spoke on camera

Role of a sitting president in disclosure

Ben's vision of a presidential announcement[55:18]
• He believes a sitting president must eventually say publicly that humanity is not alone, that recovered non-human technology exists, and that there is a secret cold-war-style tech race, with the U.S. intending to lead
Trump's prior consideration of disclosure[57:34]
• Ben says Trump learned base facts about recovery programs during his presidency and considered announcing them; Steven Mnuchin requested a briefing from Jay Stratton to assess potential economic impacts of such an announcement
Trump, Tulsi Gabbard, and current interest[57:48]
• Ben claims Trump is aware of the film and has recently tasked Tulsi Gabbard with getting to the bottom of the situation and reporting back to him

Defense contractors profiting from breakthroughs

Rubio's statement on commercialization of advances[1:00:31]
• Ben says Rubio states that occasional advances from legacy programs are slipped into commercial products, with companies making a lot of money for their own interests rather than national security
Speculations on derived technologies[1:02:35]
• Ben mentions off-record suspicions that hypersonic missiles, early fiber optics, and night vision may have benefited from such advances, but notes no one would go on record with specifics

Human Biological Effects, Health, and Risk

Biological harm from proximity to craft

Cancer and autoimmune issues after encounters[1:03:12]
• Ben says many military personnel, scientists, and intelligence officials who worked around UAPs later developed cancer or autoimmune problems, and some died
Accountability and AHI status[1:03:30]
• He notes some officials have secured anonymous health injury (AHI) status, originally for Havana Syndrome victims, after documenting UAP-related injuries, but not everyone can navigate that process

Directed-energy-like attacks

DoD official allegedly zapped by a UAP[1:04:12]
• Ben says Gary Nolan has classified documentation of a Department of Defense official who saw a UAP above his house, went outside, and was hit by what appeared to be a directed energy weapon, later developing cancer
Varginha Brazil case and fatal infection[1:03:45]
• Joe recounts the "Moment of Contact" story where a Brazilian police officer supposedly carried an injured being, later developed a horrific bacterial infection, and died within weeks

Remote Viewing Programs and Consciousness Links

Stargate and CIA/DOD psychic programs

Origin story of the U.S. remote viewing effort[1:13:18]
• Ben says Hal Puthoff was approached in the mid-1970s by his CIA handler, who reported that the Soviets had a 10-year head start using psychics to spy on U.S. facilities, and Hal was given a "blank check" to catch up
Recruitment via basic training tests[1:14:06]
• Hal reportedly devised tests embedded in Army basic training to identify recruits with latent remote viewing ability, then pulled them into the program and trained them
Actionable intelligence from remote viewing[1:14:55]
• Ben says the CIA ran real operations based on remote viewers' intel, and in his extended interviews Hal describes multiple specific missions

Jimmy Carter's public description

Carter recounts using a medium to find a plane[1:15:42]
• They play audio of Jimmy Carter describing a case where U.S. satellites couldn't locate a downed plane in Africa, but a woman in California provided coordinates that allowed satellites to find it

Post-UAP-encounter remote viewing abilities

Story of "Scott Andrews" (pseudonym)[1:16:38]
• Ben describes an intelligence official who had a childhood UAP encounter, later developed severe health issues from parasites, underwent brain surgery, and afterward found memories returning along with spontaneous remote viewing ability
• This person discovered secret Air Force enlistment paperwork from his youth with a service code "space intelligence communications" and long unexplained school absences
Alleged directed-energy attempts on his life[1:17:45]
• Ben says the man experienced symptoms consistent with directed-energy attacks, and investigations found evidence such as etching in windows, suggesting a beam passing through glass

Is remote viewing a latent human ability?

Basketball analogy for psychic skill distribution[1:18:37]
• Ben relays an analogy from someone in the field: everyone can pick up a basketball and throw it, a few have notable talent, and a tiny fraction are "Michael Jordan" level-likewise for remote viewing ability
UAP encounters potentially enhancing abilities[1:19:10]
• He says some individuals seem to have heightened remote viewing abilities after UAP encounters, implying biological effects can include unlocking cognitive potential

Stigma, Intimidation, and Making the Documentary

Stigma as a deliberate psychological operation

CIA's role in creating ridicule culture[1:20:37]
• Ben says the CIA in the late 1940s and early 1950s deliberately built a stigma around UFOs as a psychological operation to make people fear ridicule and avoid the topic
Using tinfoil hats to silence credible witnesses[1:20:45]
• He tells of a Top Gun base commander and his deputy who saw a craft drop in front of them and recorded it, but a naval intelligence official sent them tinfoil hats and warned they'd wear them for life if they reported it, causing them to back out of formal testimony

Ben's need for secrecy while filming

Producing the film in secret[1:21:37]
• Ben says intelligence officials who agreed to talk advised him not to publicize the project while it was in progress, so he edited the film in his home and kept it quiet until releasing a trailer
Surveillance and intimidation incidents[1:22:26]
• He describes a meeting at his house with an interview subject when a low black helicopter hovered overhead; the guest casually said "that'll happen", suggesting it was intimidation or monitoring
• Ben says Senate Intelligence and Armed Services Committee contacts told him to assume all his calls and emails were monitored

Support from Senate committees and staff

John Estrich and committee backing[1:23:57]
• Ben credits John Estrich, senior staffer for Rubio on the Senate Intelligence Committee, with vetting sources, opening doors, and validating him to lawmakers
Using strength in numbers to protect witnesses[1:24:41]
• Ben says many insiders were afraid to be the lone voice, so he designed the film so numerous high-level witnesses would appear together, providing "safety in numbers" against retaliation and stigma

Historical Presidential Speeches and Warnings

Reagan, Eisenhower, and Kennedy in a new light

Reagan's UN "alien threat" speech[1:25:45]
• Ben notes Reagan's UN address about how an external alien threat could unite humanity and says he now wonders why Reagan said he "often" thought about that
Eisenhower's military-industrial complex warning[1:26:26]
• Ben interprets Eisenhower's warning about unchecked power in the hands of the military-industrial complex as directly relevant to defense contractors now controlling crash-retrieval programs beyond presidential and congressional oversight
Kennedy's speech against secrecy and secret societies[1:27:06]
• He mentions Kennedy's speech calling secret societies "repugnant" in a free society and says he now views it as a challenge to the kind of secrecy surrounding UAP programs

Remote Viewing and UAP Projects as Future Work

Ben's upcoming books and film projects

Jay Stratton's book and series adaptation[1:29:55]
• Ben says he is helping develop Jay Stratton's book, due in the spring from HarperCollins, and plans a series about Stratton's 16-year rabbit hole investigating non-human intelligence for the government
Feature film on remote viewing whistleblower[1:30:48]
• He is also developing a movie based on the "Scott Andrews" story, likening its tone to "The Insider" but focused on secret remote viewing and UAP-linked experiments

Balance between UAP work and other films

Ben still intends to do non-UFO work[1:31:56]
• He notes his background on big Hollywood projects like "Ready Player One" and says he plans that alongside further UAP and remote viewing projects

Release Details and Closing

Distribution of "The Age of Disclosure"

Prime Video and theatrical release[1:32:15]
• Ben says the film is available worldwide on Prime Video to rent or buy starting November 21, with subtitles in major languages, and is also screening in theaters in New York, Los Angeles, and Washington, D.C.
Initial reaction at South by Southwest and Paramount Theater[1:33:05]
• He recalls sold-out screenings at South by Southwest and the Paramount Theater with standing ovations and long lines, but says major distributors and streamers still passed despite praising the film

Joe's final endorsement

Joe urges people to watch and discuss it[1:33:01]
• Joe tells listeners the documentary is excellent, says Ben should be proud, and suggests it's a perfect conversation piece for families around Thanksgiving

Lessons Learned

Actionable insights and wisdom you can apply to your business, career, and personal life.

1

When many independent, credible people from different institutions and ideologies report the same pattern over years, treat the convergence as a data point that demands serious attention rather than dismissing each testimony in isolation.

Reflection Questions:

  • • Where in your life or work have you seen multiple unconnected sources saying similar things that you've been tempted to ignore?
  • • How could you systematically track and revisit recurring signals so you don't miss important patterns just because they're uncomfortable or hard to verify?
  • • What specific topic or concern in your world deserves a fresh look precisely because multiple credible people keep bringing it up?
2

Overclassification and extreme compartmentalization can protect secrets, but they also choke off collaboration, slow innovation, and increase the risk that only a few unaccountable actors control transformative technologies.

Reflection Questions:

  • • In your organization, where might excessive secrecy or siloing be preventing the right people from contributing to important problems?
  • • How could you redesign information flows so that sensitive knowledge is protected but still accessible to those who need it to build, improve, or audit systems?
  • • What concrete step could you take this month to break down an unhelpful silo or to share critical context with trusted collaborators?
3

If people face only punishment and reputational ruin for revealing uncomfortable truths, they will hide information and behave defensively; creating safe, structured paths for disclosure can turn potential adversaries into partners.

Reflection Questions:

  • • What incentives or fears currently keep people around you from surfacing bad news or uncomfortable information?
  • • How might you explicitly signal and enforce that honest disclosure-especially about past mistakes-is valued and will be handled fairly?
  • • What is one mechanism (policy, ritual, or agreement) you could introduce to make it safer for others to speak candidly about problems?
4

Strategic blindness-refusing to plan for scenarios that haven't yet happened-invites "strategic surprise" that can change history; robust strategy requires preparing for plausible but unprecedented events.

Reflection Questions:

  • • Which low-probability but high-impact risks in your world are you currently dismissing because they haven't happened yet?
  • • How could you build simple contingency plans for a few "unthinkable" scenarios so that you're not starting from zero if they occur?
  • • What small experiment or tabletop exercise could you run in the next quarter to stress-test your assumptions about future threats or opportunities?
5

Technological breakthroughs with dual-use potential (for both benefit and harm) require inclusive, global conversations about governance, not just secret decisions by narrow groups with financial or institutional interests.

Reflection Questions:

  • • What powerful technologies or tools are you involved with that could be misused if controlled by the wrong people or deployed without safeguards?
  • • How might you involve a broader set of stakeholders-technical, ethical, and social-in decisions about how those tools are developed and governed?
  • • What is one forum, community, or dialogue you could join or initiate this year to help shape responsible norms around an emerging technology you care about?
6

Stigma and ridicule can be deliberately engineered to suppress inquiry; cultivating intellectual courage means being willing to examine taboo or "laughable" topics with rigor when evidence warrants it.

Reflection Questions:

  • • Which topics do you currently avoid exploring because you fear being mocked, labeled, or associated with fringe groups?
  • • How could you separate the quality of evidence from the cultural baggage around a subject so you can assess it more honestly?
  • • What is one "off-limits" question you could research carefully over the next month, treating it as a serious inquiry instead of a joke?

Episode Summary - Notes by Peyton

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