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Revisionist History

Introducing Business History: How Free Whisky, Hot Pants and Low Fares Led to Southwest's Success

Published November 19, 2025
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About This Episode

Hosts Jacob Goldstein and Robert Smith trace the rise of Southwest Airlines from a Texas intrastate startup sketched on a cocktail napkin to one of the most consistently profitable airlines in U.S. history. They explain how regulatory structures, low fares, aggressive legal battles, operational innovations, and a deliberately unglamorous business strategy gave Southwest a durable edge in a notoriously bad industry. The episode then examines how those same strengths later exposed vulnerabilities, culminating in the 737 MAX grounding, a holiday meltdown, activist investor pressure, and strategic changes like adding assigned seating.

Topics Covered

Entrepreneurship Innovation strategy Scrappiness in business Unit economics Travel and tourism Business growth and scaling Airline industry Regulatory capture Deregulation Southwest Airlines

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Quick Takeaways

  • Southwest Airlines was conceived in 1966 as a low-cost intrastate carrier linking Dallas, Houston, and San Antonio to avoid federal regulation and high legacy fares.
  • In the regulated era, airlines competed on lavish service rather than price, making flying extraordinarily expensive for most Americans.
  • Southwest gained traction by introducing ultra-cheap off-peak fares that attracted entirely new customers and by responding to a price war with a whiskey-included business fare.
  • The company survived an early cash crisis by selling a plane and inventing ultra-fast turnarounds and open seating, dramatically increasing aircraft utilization and lowering costs.
  • After airline deregulation in 1978, legacy carriers chased market share with hubs, many plane types, and premium cabins, while Southwest stayed disciplined with a single aircraft type, point-to-point routes, and one class of service.
  • Herb Kelleher's philosophy prioritized profitability over market share, helping Southwest remain profitable every year from 1973 until the 2020 pandemic.
  • Southwest's extreme standardization created hidden risks, which surfaced when the 737 MAX grounding and an outdated crew-scheduling system caused massive disruptions and losses.
  • By the early 2020s, competitors had copied many low-cost tactics, eroding Southwest's distinctiveness and prompting activist investors to push for changes such as assigned seating and tiered legroom offerings.

Podcast Notes

Southwest origin story and the strange economics of airlines

Herb Kelleher and the Texas triangle idea

Herb Kelleher discussed as the central founding figure of Southwest Airlines[4:33]
• In 1966, in San Antonio, Texas, lawyer Herb Kelleher is drinking wild turkey bourbon and smoking cigarettes at the St. Anthony Club with his client Rollin King.
• Herb is from New Jersey, lost his father at 12, worked summers at a Campbell Soup factory, became a lawyer, and eventually moved to Texas.
Rollin King's proposal to start a new airline[4:59]
• Rollin King, a Harvard MBA and amateur pilot, is winding down his failed Wild Goose Flying Service, a charter operation flying rich customers to hunt in rural Texas.
• Despite that failure, Rollin suggests to Herb that they should start a "real" airline.
• Rollin sketches a triangle on a cocktail napkin connecting Dallas, San Antonio, and Houston, emphasizing the long driving times between them.
The triangle model and Southwest's launch[5:40]
• At the time, flying between those Texas cities is possible but rare because it is inconvenient and expensive; flying is mostly for long-haul business trips like New York to LA.
• Herb considers Rollin's idea crazy but compelling and decides to pursue it.
• The famous cocktail napkin triangle may be apocryphal, but the Dallas-San Antonio-Houston triangle is real and becomes the basis for Southwest's initial network.
Claim that Southwest is the most successful U.S. airline[6:31]
• Jacob argues that Southwest is the most successful airline in U.S. history based on its track record of profitability and impact on flying.

Airline industry as a historically bad business

High failure rate of airlines[7:14]
• They list once-prominent airlines that have disappeared, including TWA, Eastern, Pan Am, and Aloha.
• Even surviving majors like Delta, United, and American have each gone through bankruptcy at least once.
Warren Buffett's skepticism about airline investing[7:38]
• Warren Buffett is noted for disliking airline investments despite being drawn back to them repeatedly.
• Buffett famously quipped that a farsighted capitalist at Kitty Hawk should have shot down Orville Wright to spare future investors in airlines.

Regulation, high prices, and the pre-Southwest flying experience

Why staying within Texas mattered

Avoiding federal regulation by operating intrastate[8:33]
• In the late 1960s, interstate air travel is regulated by the federal government, which dictates which airlines can fly which routes.
• Herb and Rollin decide to keep operations entirely within Texas to stay outside federal jurisdiction and its strict route and price controls.
Federal control of routes and fares[9:05]
• At the time, airlines seeking new interstate routes often receive denials because regulators think there is already enough competition.
• The government not only controls routes but also sets ticket prices down to the penny, treating airlines more like public utilities.

The luxury era of regulated air travel

Competition on service instead of price[9:22]
• Because airlines cannot compete on price, they compete on service quality, leading to perks like American Airlines' piano bar in first class.
• Pan Am offers coach passengers a rolling cart with a roast on it, carving beef for each person; seats are wider with more legroom overall.
High cost of flying in 1970[10:41]
• In 1970, a round-trip ticket from New York to Los Angeles costs $284.
• Adjusted to 2025 dollars, that $284 is equivalent to $2,434, illustrating how expensive flying was.
• Jacob notes that people nostalgic for the old days of air travel are effectively describing what first class is today-except that in 1970, every seat was priced at that level.

Legal battles and Southwest's struggle to get off the ground

Initial state approval and immediate lawsuits

Texas certificate and injunction from incumbent airlines[12:02]
• Southwest obtains a state certificate from Texas to operate within the triangle cities.
• The next day, three legacy airlines serving those routes sue to block Southwest, claiming the market does not need more airlines.
• They secure an injunction even in Texas, which Jacob and Robert jokingly refer to as the "land of the free".

Years of court fights and Herb's persistence

Board wants to quit; Herb doubles down[13:21]
• Years of legal battles drain Southwest's capital without any flying, prompting the board to consider giving up.
• Herb offers to represent the company for free and pay further legal expenses from his own pocket to keep fighting.
Last-minute Supreme Court fight and launch[14:09]
• By June 1971, things look promising legally, so Southwest schedules its first flights for June 18.
• On June 16, competing airlines obtain another injunction; Herb spends an all-nighter in the Austin law library preparing for a special Texas Supreme Court session.
• The state Supreme Court blocks the new injunction, allowing Southwest to proceed with flights.
• When operations executive Lamar Muse worries another sheriff might show up with an injunction, Herb tells him to "roll right over the son of a bitch and leave our tire tracks on his uniform" if that happens.
• No further injunctions arrive, Southwest begins flying, and they offer fares about 20% cheaper than competitors-but initially, few customers care.

Fare experiments, whiskey promotions, and early brand identity

Initial failure to attract business travelers

Business travelers' lack of price sensitivity[15:12]
• In the early 1970s, most flyers are businesspeople whose companies pay for tickets, so neither they nor their secretaries are motivated to save 20% by trying an unknown airline.
• A standout anecdote: Herb's sister-in-law praises an amazing Southwest flight where she was the only passenger besides pilots and flight attendants, highlighting how empty planes were.

Late-night $10 fares and discovering a new market

Utilizing empty repositioning flights[16:16]
• Operations head Lamar Muse notices that Southwest flies an empty plane every night from San Antonio to Dallas for maintenance.
• Reasoning that the flight has to operate anyway, he decides to sell seats on it for $10 as an experiment, with minimal advertising.
Success of ultra-cheap fares and new customers[16:35]
• The $10 late-night flight draws large crowds, with lines of people eager to board.
• These customers look very different from traditional flyers: they are people who would have driven or taken buses like Greyhound and are excited that the fare is close to their usual ground-transport costs.
• Southwest is not cannibalizing existing air travel; it is bringing entirely new customers into flying via those cheap fares.
Two-tier fare structure[17:29]
• Southwest quickly formalizes two fare classes: a regular weekday business fare and a cheap nights-and-weekends fare for price-sensitive travelers.

Price war with Braniff and the Chivas Regal promotion

Braniff's aggressive fare cut[18:00]
• A competitor, Braniff, slashes its regular daytime fare on a key route to $13, half the previous price, as a money-losing attempt to outlast and "bleed" Southwest.
Southwest's whiskey-included alternative[18:43]
• Southwest responds by giving customers a choice: pay $13 for a basic fare or pay the regular $26 and receive the flight plus a fifth of Chivas Regal whiskey.
• Since corporations pay for weekday business tickets, travelers have no personal reason to choose the cheaper option and can take the whiskey home.
• For a time, Southwest becomes the largest distributor of Chivas Regal in Texas due to this promotion.

Southwest's early brand image, including sexist elements

Maverick positioning and uniforms[20:27]
• Southwest cultivates a "wild mavericks" brand involving whiskey and a fun, irreverent culture.
• Part of that brand involved extremely short shorts for flight attendant uniforms, in a broader industry context of rampant sexism toward flight attendants.

Near-bankruptcy, ultra-fast turnarounds, and open seating

Cash crisis and selling an airplane

Bank account down to $143[21:20]
• By spring 1972, Southwest's bank account balance is down to just $143, highlighting how close they are to running out of money.
• They own four airplanes, their main assets, and decide they must sell one, reducing the fleet from four planes to three.
• Selling the plane implies fewer flights and likely layoffs, a classic start of a corporate death spiral.

Bill Franklin's 10-minute turnaround plan

Concept of cutting ground time to save the schedule[21:13]
• Ground operations chief Bill Franklin proposes keeping the same flight schedule with three planes by sharply reducing turnaround time at the gate.
• Existing gate turnaround is about 25 minutes; Franklin insists they must bring it down to 10 minutes to make the math work.
• Franklin tells staff that if someone cannot accomplish a 10-minute turn, they will be fired and replaced until someone can do it.
Execution tactics for ultra-fast turns[23:15]
• Office staff pitch in on the ground to speed up operations, while flight attendants clean from the back of the plane as passengers deplane.
• Gate crews hustle passengers onto the plane quickly; once everyone is inside, the door closes and the plane pushes back without waiting for everyone to be seated.
• The FAA did not require passengers to be seated before pushback until the 1980s, allowing these tactics at that time.

Open seating as a boarding-speed strategy

Southwest's no-assigned-seat approach[24:27]
• On Southwest, passengers do not get assigned seats; they board in order based on when they checked in or arrived and then sit wherever they want, similar to a subway.
Evidence that open seating is among the fastest boarding methods[24:44]
• The hosts note that studies of boarding methods find back-to-front boarding is slow and more elaborate schemes can be impractical for groups.
• Research suggests that letting people board and sit wherever they want is either the fastest or among the fastest reasonable boarding methods.
• They compare it to crowds leaving a sports stadium, where many individuals simultaneously optimize their paths, creating overall efficiency.

Profitability achieved in a tough macro environment

Impact of faster turns on costs and profits[26:30]
• Even when they miss the 10-minute goal, Southwest's turnarounds are substantially faster than 25 minutes, allowing the same number of flights with fewer planes.
• Reducing the fleet from four to three planes while maintaining flight volume cuts capital costs and creates a sizable cost advantage over competitors.
• In 1973, the year after these changes, Southwest turns a profit.
Profits despite 1970s economic turmoil[27:06]
• The 1970s bring an oil embargo, stagflation, high inflation, and labor issues, making this a particularly difficult time to profit in the airline industry.
• From 1973 onward, Southwest is profitable every year for the next 47 years.

Deregulation, regulatory capture, and changing attitudes toward markets

Overcapacity, lower fares, and early cracks in regulation

747s and too many seats[32:31]
• Airlines eagerly buy Boeing 747 wide-body jets, which they love for size and prestige but purchase in excessive numbers, creating a glut of seats.
• Many 747s fly around America with lots of empty seats, pressuring airlines to seek permission to cut prices.
Government permits price cuts and traffic grows[32:28]
• For the first time in decades, regulators allow airlines to lower fares, and when they do, demand increases and empty seats start filling.

George Stigler's theory of regulation and "regulatory capture"

Stigler's influential paper[35:23]
• University of Chicago economist George Stigler publishes "A Theory of Economic Regulation" in the early 1970s, helping him later win a Nobel Prize.
• On its first page, Stigler argues that, as a rule, regulation is acquired by the industry and is designed and operated primarily for its benefit.
Concept of regulatory capture applied to airlines[35:11]
• The hosts explain regulatory capture as regulators effectively serving the interests of the industry they oversee, with staff moving between agencies and airlines.
• They note that in the 1930s it may have been reasonable to regulate airlines heavily, but by the 1970s, blocking low-cost entrants on the grounds they would be too cheap exemplifies capture.

Political shift toward airline deregulation

Role of Ted Kennedy and Jimmy Carter[36:19]
• Contrary to the common association of deregulation with Ronald Reagan in the 1980s, airline deregulation begins under Democrats.
• Ted Kennedy becomes a key proponent of deregulating airlines, and President Jimmy Carter appoints a skeptic of regulation to lead the federal airline regulator.
Airline Deregulation Act of 1978[37:57]
• In 1978, Congress passes a bipartisan law deregulating the airlines, which Carter signs, ending federal control over routes and ticket prices.
• With those rules gone, airlines can in principle fly wherever they want and charge what they like, removing the constraints that never applied to intrastate Southwest.

Southwest's disciplined model versus legacy carriers' post-deregulation experiments

Image versus reality at Southwest

Goofy public persona, disciplined internal behavior[39:02]
• Publicly, Southwest cultivates a goofy, maverick image with joking flight attendants and publicity stunts, such as arm-wrestling to settle a trademark dispute and Herb being wheeled out with an IV of wild turkey.
• Internally, however, Southwest behaves in a disciplined, efficiency-oriented way, especially after deregulation, in contrast to legacy carriers that go "wild."

Five ways legacy carriers diverged from Southwest's discipline

1. Multiple premium cabin types vs one-class service[39:27]
• Post-deregulation, legacy airlines introduce various comfort tiers-first class, business, premium economy, comfort-plus-selling more legroom or amenities at higher prices.
• Southwest sticks with one kind of seat and a single-class cabin, simply flying people from one place to another without premium segmentation.
2. Broad distribution via agents and online platforms[40:14]
• Legacy carriers rely heavily on travel agents and, later, on online travel agencies like Orbitz, Expedia, and kayak to distribute tickets.
• Southwest avoids these intermediaries for decades because each booking through them cedes part of the ticket revenue; it insists on selling directly.
3. Hub-and-spoke networks vs point-to-point[41:04]
• After deregulation, majors build hub-and-spoke systems-e.g., Delta through Atlanta, American through Dallas-so passengers can connect to many destinations.
• Southwest focuses on point-to-point routes like Phoenix-LA with high frequency, only serving routes where it can sell cheap, reliable tickets profitably.
• Southwest often uses secondary airports such as Oakland instead of San Francisco or Burbank instead of LAX, benefiting from cheaper gates and less congestion, which supports fast turnarounds.
4. Diverse fleets vs a single aircraft type[41:56]
• Many airlines buy small, medium, and large aircraft to match different route demands; Southwest, aside from a brief exception, flies only Boeing 737s.
• Standardizing on one aircraft type simplifies training, crew assignment, maintenance, logistics, and gate operations, enhancing efficiency.
5. Chasing market share vs focusing on profitability[43:31]
• Legacy airline CEOs often obsess over being "number one" in passengers, routes, or prestige, even at the expense of investor returns.
• Herb Kelleher emphasizes that market share has nothing to do with profitability and says Southwest does not want to fly more people than anyone else, only to make more money than it spends.

Result: unique long-run profitability

Bankruptcies elsewhere vs Southwest's record[45:07]
• Every other major airline that existed at the time of deregulation has gone bankrupt at least once; some more than once.
• Southwest remains profitable every year for about five decades except in 2020 during the COVID-19 pandemic.

Modern challenges: 737 MAX crisis, pandemic, and the 2022 meltdown

737 MAX crashes and grounding's impact on Southwest

Two crashes and FAA grounding[51:22]
• In late 2018 and early 2019, two Boeing 737 MAX crashes occur, one in Indonesia and one in Ethiopia, each involving different airlines.
• In March 2019, the FAA grounds all 737 MAX aircraft in the U.S.
How single-type standardization increased exposure[51:16]
• Because Southwest flies only 737s, and has more 737 MAX aircraft than any other U.S. airline, the grounding disproportionately harms its operations.
• Southwest has to cut service but does not shut down entirely because it still has older 737s; nonetheless it loses around $1 billion in revenue, though it later recovers some from Boeing.

Pandemic shock and uneven rebound

2020 as the lone unprofitable year[52:50]
• In 2020, due to COVID-19, Southwest posts its only unprofitable year since 1973.
Post-pandemic travel mix favors legacy carriers[52:53]
• Around 2022, major carriers like Delta, United, and American enjoy a strong rebound, driven by pent-up demand for long-haul and premium travel.
• Many travelers use savings and stimulus money on trips to Europe or premium cabins, categories in which Southwest does not operate.
• Southwest, with its domestic, low-cost focus, "muddles along" while legacy carriers surge.

December 2022 winter storm and systems meltdown

Storm triggers mass cancellations across airlines[54:06]
• In December 2022, a massive winter storm hits the East Coast and upper Midwest, leading to airport shutdowns and widespread cancellations across many airlines.
Why Southwest's disruption was uniquely severe[54:39]
• While other airlines recover in a day or two after the storm passes, Southwest experiences an "epic collapse" and remains largely grounded.
• Southwest cancels more than 16,000 flights and strands about 2 million passengers.
• The core problem is traced to an internal software system responsible for reassigning crew when flights are canceled or rescheduled; it fails and cannot be brought back up quickly.
• The company effectively does not know where all of its crews are; crews want to work but must call in on the same clogged phone lines as passengers to get assignments.
• Some central staff reportedly resort to manual, paper-based efforts to track and assign crews.
Debate over whether cost-cutting was to blame[55:44]
• The CEO characterizes the meltdown as an unfortunate "perfect storm" rather than a result of underinvestment.
• Union leaders say they had warned for years that the crew-assignment system was outdated and vulnerable, suggesting neglected investment.
• Southwest pays about $750 million in reimbursements and penalties stemming from the meltdown.
• Meanwhile, its profits stagnate as the broader airline industry recovers, and its stock price drops by more than 50% between 2021 and 2023, remaining below pre-pandemic levels into 2024.

Activist investor pressure and strategic changes at Southwest

Elliott's activist stake and critique

Elliott Management's investment and demands[57:55]
• An activist hedge fund, Elliott, buys more than 10% of Southwest's stock, a classic setup for pushing changes at underperforming public companies.
• Elliott sends a strongly worded letter to Southwest's board arguing that, despite a proud history, the airline's leadership is poor and its strategy no longer succeeds in the modern industry.
• The fund urges Southwest to become more like other airlines and calls for firing the CEO.

Erosion of Southwest's distinctiveness

Industry adoption of low-cost features[59:00]
• Jacob notes that, in many ways, other airlines have become more like Southwest since deregulation, copying low-cost models and friendly branding.
• Ultra-low-cost carriers now offer very cheap fares, and large airlines offer "basic economy" products that resemble Southwest's bare-bones proposition.
• The once-distinct "we're your pal" vibe is now common across corporate brands, including airlines.

Strategic changes: moving toward assigned seats and fare tiers

Seat assignments and new classes announced[1:00:22]
• Under pressure, Southwest does not fire its CEO but begins changing its model.
• Starting January 27, 2026, Southwest passengers will be able to choose between standard, preferred, or extra-legroom seats, and all customers will buy an assigned seat.
• The hosts describe this as the end of an era for Southwest's open-seating model, though they note it was a "good run" of about 48 years.

Wrap-up and recommended reading

Reflection on Southwest's legacy

Balancing efficiency and change[1:01:00]
• Robert imagines Herb Kelleher advising the company to stay the course and trust its better business model despite periodic disasters.
• Jacob emphasizes that Southwest's initial advantage-being cheaper and more efficient-has been eroded as others adopted similar tactics, forcing Southwest to adapt.

Book recommendation and production credits

Hard Landing and sources[1:01:21]
• Jacob highlights the book "Hard Landing" by Thomas Petzinger Jr. as particularly useful for understanding the period around airline deregulation.
• He notes that the show will list sources in the show notes and then gives credits for the showrunner, producer, engineer, and hosts.

Lessons Learned

Actionable insights and wisdom you can apply to your business, career, and personal life.

1

Relentless focus on profitability and cost discipline can be a more durable competitive edge than chasing size, prestige, or market share-especially in commodity-like industries.

Reflection Questions:

  • • Where in your business or career are you prioritizing being "number one" over being sustainably profitable or effective?
  • • How might your decision-making change if you evaluated every major initiative by its clear path to profitability rather than its potential for visibility or scale?
  • • What is one concrete cost or complexity you could eliminate this quarter that would improve your unit economics without hurting your core value to customers?
2

Standardization and operational efficiency (like using one aircraft type or a single, simple service model) can unlock huge savings, but they also create concentrated risks if conditions change.

Reflection Questions:

  • • In what areas of your operations have you standardized so heavily that a single point of failure could disrupt everything?
  • • How could you introduce a modest amount of redundancy or backup capacity without undermining the efficiencies you've built?
  • • What stress test or scenario planning exercise could you run this month to reveal the vulnerabilities in your current systems or processes?
3

Regulatory and structural shifts often create opportunities for unconventional entrants who are willing to question inherited assumptions and design their model around underserved customers.

Reflection Questions:

  • • What established rules or norms in your industry are treated as immovable but may actually be artifacts of past regulation or habit?
  • • How could you reframe your target market by asking who is currently priced out or poorly served by existing offerings?
  • • Where could a simpler, lower-frills version of your product or service attract entirely new customers instead of fighting incumbents head-on?
4

Innovation under constraint-like Southwest's $10 fares and 10-minute turnarounds born from near-bankruptcy-can lead to powerful, enduring advantages that richer competitors might never develop.

Reflection Questions:

  • • When have tight constraints in your life or work forced you to come up with a creative solution you'd never have tried otherwise?
  • • How might you intentionally create constraints (time, budget, resources) on a current project to force more inventive thinking?
  • • What current struggle or shortage could you reframe as an opportunity to design a leaner, more resilient way of operating?
5

Systems and infrastructure that once gave you an edge need periodic reinvestment; if they are allowed to age past their useful life, they can turn from assets into liabilities at the worst possible moment.

Reflection Questions:

  • • Which critical systems or tools in your organization are "good enough for now" but haven't been meaningfully upgraded in years?
  • • How would a sudden failure of one key system-technology, process, or team-impact your ability to serve customers during a peak period?
  • • What proactive maintenance, modernization, or replacement decision could you schedule this year to prevent a Southwest-style meltdown in your own context?

Episode Summary - Notes by Reagan

Introducing Business History: How Free Whisky, Hot Pants and Low Fares Led to Southwest's Success
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